NewsNite: Guns … The Discussion Continues — Feb. 22, 2013

NewsNite: Guns … The Discussion Continues — Feb. 22, 2013


>>>JUST MENTION THE WORD GUNS A PEOPLE LINE UP PASSIONATELY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. PRO AND CON. JOIN US NEXT ON NEWS NIGHT AS WE MAKE GUNS THE FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION. >>>THIS IS NEWS NITE AND I’M JODIE MILLER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THE MID-DECEMBER SHOOTINGS IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT, HAVE STARTED A DISCUSSION, A COLLECTIVE DISCUSSION NATIONALLY ABOUT GUNS AND GUN VIOLENCE. THAT DISCUSSION HAS RUN THE GAMUT FROM GUN SAFETY ISSUES TO GUN ACCESS ISSUES, TO BANG SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS TO BANG HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES TO SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. HERE AT NEWS NITE WE TO WANT CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION. FOR THAT REASON, I’VE INVITED A PANEL OF THREE PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION SO YOU OUR VIEWERS CAN BE BETTER INFORMED. I WANT YOU TO WELCOME ROSETTA CRAIG. SHE’S AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE. JULIE WHO IS A COOWNER WITH HER HUSBAND DAVE OF THE FIREARMS IN MASN, OHIO, JULIE, WELCOME. DAN, WHO IS A RETIRED DETECTIVE AFTER 37 YEAR OF THE POLICE. INSTRUCTOR, HE IS THE OWNER OF END INSTRUCTOR WITH D AND D FIREARMS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >>THANK YOU. >>I WANT TO START THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WITH THE NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT, SHOOTINGS WITH THE SHOOTING WE SAW LAST IN SHATTEREDDEN, OHIO. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT EACH OF YOU ARE HEARING FROM YOUR REPRESENTATIVE CONSTITUENTS ABOUT GUN AND VIOLENCE VIOLENCE DISCUSSION ENSUBSTANCE ABUSE WHAT ARE YOU HEARING AT THE OHIO COALITION OF GUN VIOLENCE? >>WE ARE IMMENSELY PLEASED WITH A PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PROPOSAL. IT IS A BROAD SPECTRUM PROPOSAL THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY ONE ELEMENT IN IT THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS OR EXTREME. IT IS ONLY COMMON SENSE, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS PROPOSALS, I SEE IT KIND OF BREAKING DOWN INTO FIVE AREAS, ONE, UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON EVERY GUN SALE. SECOND OF ALL, WE’RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PROLIFERATION OF MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS WHICH ARE DESIGNED IN A BROAD SENSE TO SHOOT A BIG BIRTH OF MANY, MANY BULLETS TO GREAT DEVASTATION, AND WE’RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE TYPES OF GUNS THAT ARE ENGINEERED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE HEAT OF SHOOTING A LOT OF BULLETS. >>IS THIS THIS WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENCY IS TELLING YOU? >>THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE MILITARY- STYLE WEAPONS, QUOTE ON QUOTE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT WHICH CAN GET VERY LENGTHY. BUT GOING ON FROM THAT, THE HIGH CAPACITY CLIPS GOES WITH THIS IDEA OF SHOOTING A LOT OF BULLETS IN ONE BIRTH. AND THEN GOING ON TO EXECUTIVE ORDERS WHICH ONLY MAKE SENSE. WE MAKE THE EXISTING LAWS AND THE PEOPLE WHO MUST ENFORCE THOSE LAWS MORE ENFORCEABLE. WE STUDY THE PROBLEM, AND WE DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH. THOSE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND THE PROPOSAL UNTIL ITS PLACE AND IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN INTO THAT. BACKGROUND CHECKS, MILITARY- STYLE WEAPONS, ENFORCE THE LAWS BETTER, DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH. THAT’S COMMON SENSE, AND IT IS NOT EXTREME. BUT IT IS VERY NECESSARY. >>JULIE, AS A GUN STORE OWNER, WHAT ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS, WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR STORE, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THEM? >>OUR CUSTOMERS CONSISTENT OF SPORTING PEOPLE. THEY CONSISTENT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM THEY HAVE COME IN AND THEY ARE STARTING TO BUY SOME OF THE WEAPONS THAT THEY FEEL MAY BE BANNED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PROPOSITION, AND THEY’RE VERY CONCERNED, THEY’RE VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS IS 2008 ALL OVER AGAIN. AND THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY WEAPONS BECAUSE OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA IS TRYING TO DO A QUICK FIX. HE’S NOT TRYING TO — THE ROOTED PROBLEM IS NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. THE ROOT OF THE WEAPON IS THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING, A BREAKDOWN OF SOCIETY THAT IS CAUSING OUR CHILDREN TO BE, TO REACT IN THE WAY THEY’RE DOING. AND WHAT THEY HAVE IS A TOOL WHICH ARE OUR GUNS. AND SO OUR CUSTOMERS ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED THAT THEIR RIGHTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THEM. >>DAN, YOU TEACH CLASSES, IN FACT YOU TEACH A LOT OF CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON PERMITS CLASSES. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE IN YOUR CLASSES? >>WELL FIRST OF ALL, I’D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR FIRST QUESTION. EVERYONE THAT I KNOW, EVERYBODY I PUT TO THROUGH MY CLASSES, AND THAT’S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, WE’RE HORRIFIED BY THE SCHOOL SHOOTING IN CONNECTICUT. THAT SICKENED ME. SECONDLY, THEY ARE ALSO VERY CONCERNED THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD TO WANT BLAME THAT SHOOTING ON A SPECIFIC TYPE OF FIREARM. MUCH A SEMIAUTOMATIC, IT 23 CALIBER RIFLE THAT HAS COSMETIC, IT’S COSMETICALLY SIMILAR TO A FULL AUTOMATIC MILITARY RIFLE. ALSO MAGAZINE CAPACITY BAN. THEY’RE UPSET ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THAT WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON CRIME. >>IT WOULDN’T? WHY? >>FOR WHAT PURPOSE. IF YOU BAN A AR15, WHICH I HAVE OVER HERE TO MY LEFT, I ALSO HAVE A 22 CALIBER RIFLE THAT MY FATHER BOUGHT ME WHEN I WAS 17 YEARS OLD. IT HOLDS 16 ROUNDS OF 22 CALIBER AMMO. NOW ACCORDING TO TO A LOT OF THE FA GUN PEOPLE, THAT’S A HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE. SO EVEN IF YOU BAN THE SEMIAUTOAR15, I COULD STILL GO AND PURCHASE A SEMIAUTO, SIMILAR-CALIBER RIFLE WITH A LARGE MAGAZINE CAPACITY. PARDON ME, 22 CALIBER ROUND, IT’S NOT AS POWERFUL AS A 223, BUT IN SOME WAYS IT’S SIMILAR. >>WE’RE GOING TO GET INTO THE GUNS OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT LATER BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO DESCRIBE FOR OUR VIEWERS WHAT THOSE GUNS ARE ALL ABOUT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT MORE GUNS MEAN LESS CRIME. SO HOW DO EACH OF YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT STATEMENT? >>WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I’M MARRIED TO A VERY HIGH LEVELED PH.D. ECONOMIST, HE STUDIES DATAING, THAT’S HIS LIFE IS TO STUDY DATA. THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO REALIZE AS WE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS PROBLEM OF GUN VIOLENCE AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A STUDY THAT MEANS SOMETHING IS THAT YOUR STUDY’S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DATA YOU HAVE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO COLLECT ACTUAL DATA. >>AND THAT’S BY LAW, CORRECT? GLASS BY LAW. WE HAVE NOT COLLECTED GOOD DATA. WE HAVE BODY COUNTS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SITTING IN A WHEELCHAIR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SHOT BY A GUN. WE DON’T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM. AND THERE’S A LOT OF THEM. OKAY. SO, THE PEOPLE THAT SAY MORE GUNS MEAN MORE CRIMES, MORE GUNS MEAN LESS CRIMES, UNTIL WE ARE GIVEN, UNTIL THAT, THE REASON THAT OBAMA’S PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT THAT ITS BROAD BASED. HE’S LIFTING THE BAN ON STUDIES. COINCIDENCE IS NOT CAUSALITY. >>DAN, HOW ABOUT YOU? DO MORE GUNS MEAN LESS CRIME? >>ALL I CAN GO BY IS THE FBI STATISTICS THAT ARE BRUISED EVERY YEAR THAT I READ ONCE A YEAR. AND THE FBI SAID THAT CRIME HAS BEEN DROPPED DRASTICALLY IN THE LAST TEN YEARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SINCE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS ELECTED THE FIRST TIME, PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS ELECTED, IN A FROM THAT JANUARY TO THAT APRIL THAT FIRST YEAR, WE’RE TALKING MORE — FOUR MONTHS. MEMBERS OF THE INDIAN AND CHINESE ARMIES. EVERY GUN STORE IN THE STATE HAS THEIR SALES HAVE INCREASED EVERY SINGLE MONTH SINCE WE’VE BEEN IN OFFICE. THE LADY IS RIGHT. THERE IS A PROLIFERATION OF FIREARMS IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT WE HAVE MORE FIREARMS, BUT YET CRIME IS DROPPING, WHY IS THAT? >>GUN CRIME IS NOT DROPPING. >>YOU CAN ARGUE WITH THE FBI, MA’AM, I DON’T KNOW. THAT’S WHAT I READ — >>THE GUN DEATHS ARE NOT DROPPING. THEY HIT A LOW AT ABOUT 28,000 PER YEAR. THEY’VE DEED BACK UP TO 30,000 A YEAR. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS TO STOP AND TAKE PAUSE. WE’RE TALKING 30,000 AMERICANS PER YEAR LOSE THEIR LIFE. LET’S MULTIPLY THAT BY TEN, WE’RE TALKING 300,000 IN A DECADE. LET’S GO BACK TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. 50 YEARS AGO, 1963. WE’RE TALKING 50 YEARS. WE’RE TALKING BETWEEN A MILLION AND MILLION AND A HALF AMERICANS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES TO GUN VIOLENCE. AND WE’RE SAYING WE DECENT ANYTHING ABOUT IT? I DON’T THINK SO. >>ONE OF THE THINGS, OKAY, THAT YOU OFTEN HEAR IS THAT, THAT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS CAN BE RESTRICTED BY PERHAPS MOVING FORWARD. AND I WANT TO READ THE SECOND AMENDMENT SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT AS RAD FIED BY THE STATE IS, QUOTE, A WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SO HOW, HOW DOES THE ISSUE OF SECOND AMENDMENT COME INTO PLAY WITH ALL THIS? >>I BELIEVE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE IN EVERY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, AND I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION. I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSTITUTION MUST SEEK AN EVER DYNAMIC BALANCE BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE, OF AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, AND THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. WHAT UPSETS ME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTERS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I SAY WHERE IS THEIR COMPASSION? I DON’T HEAR MUCH COMPASSION FROM THEM. I SAY, WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND I’M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE LOSS THAT AMERICA HAS HAD FROM GUN VIOLENCE. THEY DON’T CARE. THEY HAVEN’T LOOKED INTO THE COFFIN OF A DEAD CHILD LIKE I HAVE. THEY DON’T CARE. >>EXCUSE ME HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? I OBJECT TO THAT. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT WE ARE NOT COMPASSIONATE ABOUT THE DEATHS? DO YOU THINK THAT WE DO NOT SEE CHILDREN? DO YOU THINK WE DON’T WATCH THE NEWS? WHAT WE SAY IS WE HAVE RIGHTS, WE ARE, WE ARE CITIZENS THAT ARE ABIDING BY THE LAW. WE DO OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT THAT THE CITIZENS, IT’S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR CPW, YOU DON’T SEE THEM, THEY’RE NOT THE ONES GOING OUT SHOOTING CHILDREN. LET’S >>LET’S GET BACK TO MY QUESTION. SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, HOW WOULD ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED INFRINGE UPON SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS? DAN? >>YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONSTITUTION IN THE STATE OF OHIO? >>MILDLY. >>OKAY. THERE’S A SECOND ABOUT MILITIA IN THE STATE OF OHIO, HAVE YOU EVER READ IT? >>I HAVE NOT. >>HAS TWO SECTIONS. ONE IT TALKS ABOUT AN ORGANIZED MILITIA WHICH IS OUR NATIONAL GUARD. ALSO TALKS SECONDLY ABOUT AN UNORGANIZED MILITIA. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE SITTING HERE AT THIS TABLE, MA’AM. SO WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE OHIO MILITIA. >>BECAUSE YOU HAVE GUNS. >>NO, WE’RE MEMBERS BY LAW. >>BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE OF THE STATE — >>CODE. AND THERE’S A REASON FOR THAT. I HEAR ARGUMENTS ALL THE TIME THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME UP WITH SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES. THAT WAS NOT THEIR INTENT TO LIMIT THE TYPE OF FIREARM THAT YOU HAVE OR YOU OWN. THEIR INTENT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE AND OWN FIREARMS. THAT WAS THEIR RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU ATTACK THE SECOND AMENDMENT, OR PEOPLE WHO DO ATTACK THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THEY ARE FORGETTING ABOUT WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT MEANS AND WHY IT CAME INTO PLAY BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE SUFFERED IN EUROPE, THEY SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WE’RE GOING COME UP WITH THESE LACE AND RULES THAT THE GOVERNMENT’S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO US AGAIN, EVER. >>BUT I DON’T THINK WE’RE IN A POSITION, DAN, WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO THAT TO US AGAIN — >>I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. >>OKAY. LET ME — >>CAN YOU SAY THAT 100%? >>YOU CAN’T REALLY SAY ANYTHING 100%. >>OF COURSE NOT. >>WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS, PARTICULARLY IN THE LEGITIMATIVE PROPOSAL. THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD PUT FORTH. ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE A BAN ON SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES. WHY SHOULD THERE NOT BE A BAN OR WHY SHOULD THERE BE A BAN ON RIFLES? DAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE PICKUP IF YOU WOULD FOR US THE SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE YOU’VE BROUGHT. >>I’VE GOT TWO SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES HERE. ONE IS A ROCK RIVER RIFLE. >>UH-HUH. >>NOW, THIS IS A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE. I CAN LOAD A MAGAZINE, PLACE THE MAGAZINE IN THE MAGAZINE WELL, TAKE THE SAFETY OFF, EVERY TIME I PULL THE TRIGGER, THE BULLET WILL GO OFF UNTIL THE MAGAZINE IS EMPTY. >>IN CONTRAST TO A MACHINE GUN WHEN YOU PULL A GUN AND IT SPATTERS BULLETS ALL THE TIME. >>THERE ARE TWO TYPES, ONE IN A MACHINE GUN THAT FIRES AMMUNITION, AS LONG AS THE SUPPLIER IS THERE WILL CONTINUE TO FIRE. THE SECOND TYPE OF FULL AUTOMATIC WEAPON IS CALLED A SUBMACHINE GUN. A SUBMACHINE GUNFIRES PISTOL AMMUNITION, AND FIRES EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. >>NOW, WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO, AND I WANT OUR VIEWERS TO KNOW WE ARE IN FACT GOING TO CONTINUE THIS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION SO THAT DAN CAN DESCRIBE THESE GUNS TO US ONNITE.NET. >>FOR MORE CONTENT INCLUDING EXTENDED DISCUSSIONS AND THE CHANCE TO SPEAK YOUR MIND, JOIN US ONLINE. >>>>>THERE’S ALWAYS EXTENDED CUSHION ON NEWS NITE, I WOULD URGE YOU TO GO THERE. WE DID TALK ABOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS. WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION HERE ON THE TELL LIVE PORTION WITH THAT. JULIE, AFTER I COUPLE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TO YOU. HAVE YOU SEEN AN INCREASE IN SALES SINCE MID-DECEMBER, AND WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS MIGHT WE BE TALKING ABOUT? >>FIRST OF ALL, DECEMBER IS ALWAYS IS US A BY MONTH. IF YOU’VE GOT YOUR HOLIDAY SALES IN THERE. SO, BUT THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SALES, THERE’S BAN RUN ON AMMO. AND IT’S BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMERS ARE AFRAID THAT THAT, THERE’S GOING TO BE A BAN ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY WANT TO OWN, AND THEY WANT TO USE. THERE IS AN INCREASE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WELL FOR 2012, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE OF 19%. BACKGROUND CHECKS. THERE IS, YOU CAN DO MULTIPLE GUNS ON A BACKGROUND CHECK. >>OKAY BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A GUN, YOU HAVE TO RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK. >>WE DO. >>WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? >>OURS IS DONE ELECTRONICALLY. THE CUSTOMER IS ASKED TO PROVIDE US A COPY OF A GOVERNMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION. >>LIKE A DRIVER’S LICENSE. >>LIKE A DRIVER’S LICENSE, EXACTLY. IT HAS TO HAVE THEIR CURRENT ADDRESS ON THAT. WE TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER, WE TAKE A COPY OF THEIR DRIVER’S LICENSE, WE TAKE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION IN CASE THERE IS SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AFTER THIS SALE IS DONE. THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT A BACKGROUND QUESTIONNAIRE THAT ASKED IF THEY’VE EVER HAD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, IF THEY’VE EVER BEEN INJURY DATED MENTALLY DEFECTIVE — >>DO YOU CHECK ON THAT OR DO YOU JUST ASSUME THAT THE TRUTH — >>THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DONE THAT YOU DO SUBMIT THOSE TO THE NATIONAL EXTENT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK. >>OKAY. >>IT IS SENSE THEN, THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 30 SECONDS WHERE THEY DO THE CHECK, AND IF EVERYTHING, IF THERE ISN’T ANY BACKGROUND DISCREPANCY, THEY DO GET TO OHIO IF. IN OHIO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE THE GUN IMMEDIATELY. >>40% OF GUN SALES, IF I HAVE MY STATISTICS CORRECT ARE TWO GUN SHOWS, PRIVATE SALES. THEY DON’T REPLAY THEIR BACKGROUND CHECKS, DO THEY? GUN SALES? >>THAT MAY NOT BE AN ALL ENTIRELY CORRECT FIGURE. >>GUN, PEOPLE WHO SELL GUNS AT GUN SHOWS, THEY’RE STILL FLD OWNERS, SELL GUNS. >>THEY’RE ALSO — >>THAT’S CORRECT. THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE GUN SHOWS IDENTIFY BEEN TO, THE FLD DEALERS HAVE THE BIGGEST SALES. IF A GUY COMES IN WITH A HANDGUN, HE MAY SELL IT INSIDE THERE. THE MAJORITY OF THE FIREARMS THAT GO TOW TO A GUN SHOW GO THROUGH THE DEALER. >>THE THING IS WE DON’T REALLY KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, SECONDARY MARKET, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OUR BEST ESTIMATE. AND THAT IS OUR BEST ESTIMATE. THE POINT IS THERE’S A LOT OF THEM. THEY MAY NOT BE GOING TO THE SECONDARY SALES WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN BEEN, BUT THEY ARE GOING. I BECAME INVOLVED IN THE SITUATION. I GOT THE MOTHER’S WORST NIGHTMARE CALL, ALMOST, MOTHER’S WORST NIGHTMARE CALLS FROM MY 15-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. I WAS MAD, I THOUGHT SHE LOST HER LUNCH AGAIN, SHE’S CRYING, SHE’S IN TEARS, SHE SAYS MOM THERE WAS A SHOOTING THIS MORNING. AND THE PEOPLE THAT SAW IT HAPPEN SAID IT WAS PENNY. PENNY CHANG IN 1999 WAS MY DAUGHTER’S FRIEND, SHE WAS A GUNNED DOWN BEFORE A MONTH BEFORE COLUMBINE WHILE WALKING TO SCHOOL. 100 YARDS FROM THE POLICE CHIEF OFFICE, AND 25 YARDS FROM THE JUSTICE. IN FRONT OF 25 OTHER CITIZENS. I LOOKED INTO THAT COFFIN, THE BOY, THE YOUNG MAN, 21 YEARS OF AGE WITH A SINGLE BACKGROUND AND MENTAL HEALTH HISTORY WAS IDENTIFIED AT A GUN SHOW. HE BOUGHT A GUN WITHOUT HAVING THE BACKGROUND CHECK, AND HE USED IT WITHIN THREE WEEKS TO KILL PENNY. >>HOW DO WE STOP THIS? HOW DO WE STOP THAT KIND OF PERSON FROM FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS AND GETTING GUNS? >>THE FIRST THING IS TO TAKE THE BACKGROUND CHECK THAT I’M SURE JULIE IS VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT DOING AND MAKE SURE EVEN DOES IT. SECOND OF ALL — >>EVERYBODY THAT SELLS A GUN. >>EVERYBODY WHO SELLS A GUN. SECONDHAND, WHATEVER. AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN USE A LICENSED DEALER, AND DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO WITH OBAMA’S LETTER TO EXPLAIN HOW TO DO IT. SO THAT A FIREARMS DEALER CAN DO THEIR PART TO STOP IT BY BEING THE VESSEL FOR DOING IT. >>WILL THAT HELP? >>WILL IT HELP? POSSIBLY. BUT THAT’S ONLY ONE STEP. WHAT’LL HAPPEN IF THAT HAPPENS? THIS LADY IS GOING TO BE BACK ON YOUR PROGRAM AGAIN. SHE’LL BE BACK ON THIS PROGRAM, AND SHE’LL BE TRYING TO CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE. SHE THINKS IS GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER. NOW AS FAR AS BACKGROUND CHECKS, IF I WANT TO SELL MY GUN TO A RELATIVE OR GIVE MY GUN TO A RELATIVE, I DON’T THINK I SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. NOW, IF I GO TO A GUN SHOW, OKAY, I FEEL THAT ALL SALES THROUGH A GUN SHOW SHOULD GO THROUGH A DEALER. BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE STRAW PURCHASE OS CUR, BUT I HAVE FOUND OUT STATISTICS AND ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN ARGUE STATISTICS ALL DAY LONG. IT’S A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE THE GUNS FROM GUN SHOWS. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I STILL FEEL IT SHOULD BE A BACKGROUND CHECK AT GUN SHOWS. I DON’T THINK IT’D BE A PROBLEM. >>HOW MANY, I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THE KILLINGS THAT WE HEARD, THAT WE’VE SEEN, HOW MANY HAVE COME BACK THAT THEY’VE BEEN PURCHASED AT GUN SHOW? THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAD A BACKGROUND CHECK? I KNOW THAT SOLVES A PROBLEM. >>AND THAT’S A VALID POINT, BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW — STATISTICS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE, IN OHIO, ARE GUNS REGISTERED? >>NO. NO >>NO. >>NO. >>WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO REGISTER A GUN. WHY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT TO WANT KNOW WHAT GUNS YOU HAVE? >>YOU DON’T THINK IT WOULD HELP TO TRACK GUNS? >>ABSOLUTELY NOT. IN WHAT RESPECT? WHY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS WHAT GUNS FOR WHAT PURPOSE? FOR WHAT PURPOSE? >>JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE THE GUNS ARE. >>WELL, SEE THAT’S, I GUESS THERE MIGHT BE LODGE IF I CAN I THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THAT, BUT IN REALITY, GOVERNMENTS HAVE NOT BUSINESS KNOWING WHO HAS — >>THEY HAVE BUSINESS KNOWING WHERE OUR CARS ARE AT. THEY HAVE BUSINESS KNOWING WHERE THE PSEUDOFED IS AT. WHY SHOULD THEY KNOW — I MEAN, THIS IS THE PROBLEM, WE CAN’T STOP — >>YOU FIND THIS INTERESTING, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP CARS. THE STORY YOU GAVE ME A TERRIBLE. YOUR DAUGHTER’S FRIEND — >>IT WAS TERRIBLE. >>THAT WAS HEART BREAKING. I’D LIKE TO TELL YOU A STORY REAL QUICK. >>QUICKLY THOUGH. >>ACCIDENT, WHEN I FIRST BECAME A POLICEMAN, 17-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS DRUNK, FLIPPED HIS CAR, HIS GIRLFRIEND SLID OUT THE DOOR AND SLID 300 FEET, SHE WAS 15 YEARS OLD, HE WAS DRUNK AS A SKUNK. IT WAS TERRIBLE. >>OKAY. NOW WE’RE TALKING GUNSES HERE, NOT DRUNK DRIVING. BUT I WANT TO ASK, ALL THREE OF YOU, IS THERE A COMMON SENSE WAY TO TACKLE SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THE DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE HAVING? TO DRAW SENSIBLE LINES THAT ALLOW US TO LET PEOPLE KEEP THEIR GUNS, AND YET STOP THE KIND OF GUN VIOLENCE THAT WE ARE SEEING MORE FREQUENTLY? >>EDUCATION. IT’S ALL ABOUT EDUCATION. WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE BASICS. WE NEED THESE PEOPLE WHO THOSE CHILDREN ARE LEFT ALONE, AND LEFT TO LET THE MEDIA, AND THE ACTION MOVIES TRAIN THEIR CHILDREN. THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. >>DAN. >>THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO COMMIT A CRIME. IF THERE WAS, WE WOULD HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY A LONG TIME AGO. AND THERE WOULDN’T BE SO MANY OF US CARRYING BADGES AND GUNS. IF YOU WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME, YOU’RE GOING TO COMMIT A CRIME — >>COMMON SENSE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED — >>WE HAVE COMMON SENSE LAWS NOW. WE HAVE A LAW ON THE BOOKS IN THE STATE OF OHIO, AND EVERY, AND IN FEDERAL LAWS FOR EVERY GUN LAW THAT YOU CAN THINK OF — >>THAT’S NOT TRUE. >>IT STILL THAT HAS NOT SHORTSTOPPED CRIME. >>CHICAGO, ILLINOIS HAS THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE OF ANY STATE IN THE UNITED STATES. OVER 500 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN 2012. WE’VE GOT SO BAD LAST SUMMER THAT THEY WANTED TO BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. WITH GUNS. SO, WHAT DO STRICT GUN LAWS DO? THEY PROHIBIT THE CITIZEN FROM OWNING OR OBTAINING A SPECIFIC ITEM. IN THE HOPES THAT IT’LL KEEP THE CRIMINAL FROM USING IT. >>CATCHING FLIES, YOU NEED A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THE PROBLEM, IT’S A HIGHLY COMPLEX PROBLEM. A VAST DEVASTATION IN THIS COUNTRY, WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. AND I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO STOP, START IS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PROPOSAL. >>WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, AND EACH OF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE 15 SECONDS HERE. IF YOU WERE KING OF THE WORLD, AND YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO STOP THE KIND OF GUN VIOLENCE THAT WE HAVE SEEN AT NEWTOWN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? 15 SECONDS. >>I START WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PLAN. IT MAKES COMMON SENSE. IT’S NOT EXTREME. AND IT’S THE FIRST TIME A POLITICIAN HAS BEEN BRAVE ENOUGH TO GO OUT AND HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE WIDE APPROACH TO THE PROBLEM. >>AGAIN, I WOULD START WITH EDUCATION. I WOULD INSTRUCT PARENTS ON THE DAMAGE THAT IS BEING DONE BY NOT EDUCATING YOUR CHILDREN YOURSELF. >>DAN. IF YOU WERE KING OF THE WORLD, AND YOU COULD JUST, YOU COULD STOP THE KIND OF RAMPANT VIOLENCE, WHAT YOU WOULD YOU DO? >>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP VIOLENCE IN THIS WORLD. I DO NOT THINK THERE’S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO KEEP ANOTHER HUMAN BEING FROM TAKING A LIFE — >>THAT’S AN AMERICAN, UN- AMERICAN TO SAY — >>THAT’S HUMAN NATURE. ITS BEEN HUMAN NATURE FOR OVER 1,000 YEARS, AND IT’LL CONTINUE TO BE HUMAN NATURE. YOU CAN COME UP WITH WHATEVER LAWS, FEEL-GOOD LAWS THAT YOU WANT, IT’S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. IT’S JUST GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE ANY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND INTENT UNABLE TO PURCHASE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT YOU FEEL THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE. >>AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE NEED TO LEAVE THE DISCUSSION THERE. I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE KINDS OF DISPRATE OPINIONS THAT WE HAVE. WE TO WANT THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE WILL HAVE IN A CONTINUED WAY IN A COUPLE MONTHS. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT

3 Replies to “NewsNite: Guns … The Discussion Continues — Feb. 22, 2013”

  1. och who beat that woman with a ugly stick, she had stated "the obama plan" five times you know she voted for his nazi ass and would push any agenda on tv some one should have put there foot in her mouth to shut her up…..

  2. i love the fact that people like her think that anyone that owns a gun is a heartless prick that loves to see children shot. big brother is coming after our guns. if this women is the one that is their spokes person they have messed up pretty bad….. if you have guns so much when a criminal comes at you call Obama to help you because i sure as hell probably wont.

  3. An almost civilized discussion on the topic of gun control. It does seem that everyone in favor of more gun control thinks gun owners are heartless. Some of the points of Obama's plan do make sense like the back ground checks, and addressing mental issues. We the people are the militia that the second amendment talks about. And they intended us to bear the same arms as our military which has already been taken away many years ago to give our police a better chance at controlling crime.

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