Fight Club 2018 – The Ultimate Sport Hatchback

Fight Club 2018 – The Ultimate Sport Hatchback

Modern hot hatches, also known as GTIs,
have become too powerful and too quick. They can scare supercars! The quickest one
needs less than 4” from zero to 100 km/h. Of course, besides raw performance numbers
we also look for driver engagement. Today, we are at Serres Racing Circuit to find out which hatch is the fastest
and which one is the most fun to drive. We begin our quest with the Leon Cupra.
A good car to start our test with. Friendly and progressive at the limit,
really fast, but also quite easy to drive. Strong brakes.
Having a manual gearbox helps a lot: You can be sure you’ll get the gear you want
exactly when you want it. This is a great engine. Torquey in mid-range
but still pulling strong at high rpm. In order to perfectly suit
this track’s layout it would need a 200 rpm higher rev limit,
or a slightly longer 3rd gear. The front end feels really accurate. It gives you confidence
to carry more speed on corner entry, but eventually it understeers,
a bit sooner than you expect. The rear end is lively, helping
to rotate the car on faster curves. The Golf is less hardcore than the Cupra
although it uses the same hardware. It is based on the same platform
and has the same VAQ differential. It’s just that everything feels toned down. It cannot carry the same speed on entry, but it is easier for the diff to control
this amount of power, and traction on corner exit
is never an issue. On the track’s hairpin (K5)
the engine feels strong from low revs The gearbox seems a bit confused
between K10 and K11. It has a mind of its own, upshifting
when you fully press the gas pedal. This is not a true “manual” mode. It’s difficult to trailbrake. This car
cannot do two things at a time. The Golf is exactly as I expected it to be. Really easy to drive, but not exciting.
At least not on track. It’s probably the best for everyday driving.
A perfect mix of comfort and performance. But on track we’d like it a bit stiffer,
a bit faster, a bit more precise… The 308 is completely different
from the Golf and the Leon. With much less steering input,
it’s much more eager on turn-in. You instantly realize Peugeot’s
different approach to the “hot hatch”. The brakes are perfect. Strong,
and with a linear middle pedal. Trailbraking is not a problem with this car.
It can definitely do two things at a time. The gear lever works accurately.
It’s a bit long-throw, but precise. The LSD works fantastically. This 1.6-litre engine must use
a big turbo to produce 272 PS, but throttle response is good, both
when you press the gas and on lift-off. I must apply calmer inputs. It is so
aggressive, it’s easy to overdrive it. It is definitely a contender
for the most fun-to-drive hatch. With the tyres still cold, my first impression is that it’s
completely different to the previous RS 3. I’m getting positive vibes.
It’s unbelievably fast. In contrast to the 308, where you are
in a constant fight with the car, in the Audi you must accept its ways. Be patient, wait for it to find enough traction
and unleash its huge power towards the exit. The brakes are strong. Sometimes you cannot tell if the downshift
you demanded was executed or ignored. You must take your eyes off the road and
look for the gear indicator in the dashboard. But this car is way too fast. Thanks to an aluminum crankcase, the front end is 26 kg lighter.
Which results in much less understeer. No doubt, it’s quick, and a much better car
than the previous RS 3, but it’s not the sportiest hatch. The AMG has more feelsome steering
than the Audi. Every downshift is performed
the moment you pull the left paddle, and you can hear each shift clearly, so you
are always aware of the gear you’re in. I’d expect that the LSD would pull the
front wheels towards the apex more effectively. On pairs of sequential right turns, you
step on the gas early, to gain momentum, but it understeers, with the front end
not really willing to obey. Keeping a high gear and carrying speed
makes it run wide. It feels faster with slower entry, one
lower gear and early throttle application. It’s best to change-up at 6,500 rpm. A typical, hardcore Japanese hatch. With a revvy and noisy engine,
a joystick-like lever and a flashy cabin. It has an even better
suspension setup than the 308. It is firmer and, unlike the Peugeot,
you don’t feel any bounce. It has a calmer ride. It is an extremely precise driving tool.
Really sharp. And it has enough power, at last. In the previous Type R, the 2-litre turbo
didn’t really feel like it had 300+ PS. But it definitely does in this one. This car is pure joy. Pure joy! It can carry great speed in faster corners,
and find huge traction on slower ones. During direction changes, it feels lightweight.
It is unbelievably good. You can really lean on the front end. It’s awesome! It’s an awesome car,
regardless of its laptime. Everything you ask for,
is perfectly executed by the Civic. It finds an impressive amount of grip. You appreciate its adjustability mid-corner,
and the flow of information from the wheel. It follows your chosen path perfectly.
This is the definition of the “sport hatch”. Before this test, we considered the Focus RS
to be the most fun-to-drive modern hatchback, mainly thanks to its AWD characteristics: When you nail the throttle, a large % of power
goes to the rear and rotates the car. The engine is torquey and responsive, but it
can’t steal the show from the chassis/AWD setup. The RS is firm, with no roll, although
it can bounce a bit in the back. The rear oscillates when it finds grip, but it’s
nothing really annoying or scary enough. This is exactly how Ford’s AWD works. It is magical
on the faster sections of the track. It lacks the Audi’s power. Our 1st lap was 1:32.4.
Let’s see if it can do better… It has an unbelievable way of turning towards
the apex. There’s no understeer to worry about. Now, regarding oversteer…
First of all, it’s a huge joy! Second, it’s easy to catch the slide,
since it comes in a friendly way. You can keep the wheel pointing straight, and
use the weight transfer and the clever AWD. Not a common way to drive a hot hatch,
but extremely enjoyable. The RS combines the potential for impressive
laptimes, with unparalleled driving fun. The Type R is different. More focused on
going fast, and maybe even more extreme. Each one requires a different driving approach,
just like a Fiesta WRC and an F1 car. This is a difficult match. We finished overtime,
and now we’re on penalty shootouts. By doing “one more lap” to decide which one wins,
and then… a couple more, night fell. We haven’t decided yet. Subtitles: Alex Galanopoulos

100 Replies to “Fight Club 2018 – The Ultimate Sport Hatchback”

  1. πολυ εκθειαζετε τον ιαπωνα…τελειως αδιαφορο και υπερβολικο design λες και ειναι το batmobile…AUDI RS3 κυριοι…τον γερμανο δεν τον φτανεις Π Ο Τ Ε!!!

  2. Αξιοι petrolheads παγκοσμιου επιπέδου παρουσίαση όπως πρέπει μέσα σε πίστα με τέρμα γκάζι όπως αρμόζει σε πραγματικούς άντρες!

  3. Ford best!!! Και το honda καλό …άλλα τόσα χρόνια περάσανε να κάνουμε ένα καλό … Αν το βάλεις δίπλα σε 15 έτους παλιό ford sport rs θα πεις να είναι ίδιο! Σε οδήγηση ..

  4. Απίστευτο βίντεο, απίστευτη παρουσίαση, συγχαρητήρια! Επίπεδο εκτός συνόρων το βίντεο! Keep working !

  5. Απίστευτο βίντεο απίστευτη δουλειά θα προτιμούσα όμως να είχατε το GOLF R ενάντια στις ναυαρχιδες…Και όσο για τον Μιχάλη απλά Θεός!!!

  6. Πολύ καλό κατά την γνώμη μου τα καλύτερα αυτοκίνητα ειταν το AUDI και το HONDA αλλά την περισοτερι διαφήμιση την έκανες για το FOCUS

  7. Πολύ καλή παρουσίαση αναλυτικότατη τρομερή δουλειά κάνατε!!

  8. The RS3 and A45 should not be in this group. They are AWD cars and cost almost double as the rest. Perhaps re-run this test including the i30N, Megane and M140i.

  9. This is a good review cause it’s not sponsored by any car manufacturer like some of the bull shit out there especially where the i30n n the veloster n is smoking everything 😂 👍🏼 honest review … the times don’t lie even at the nburger test ring 😂

  10. Πόσο Θέλω να πάρω ένα από αυτά τα αυτοκίνητα γαμω την κρίση μου γαμωω!! Τype r ερωτας! Seatακι ερωτας! Γκολφακι ερωτας!! Πφφ

  11. Οποίος οδηγήσει civic type r,τα ξεχνάει όλα παιδιά.civic type r τίποτα αλλο

  12. 08.13 … ΑΠΟΛΑΥΣΗ!!!!! Πόσο' μαγεμένος' παίζει να ναι εκείνη τη στιγμή ( Άλλιως ήθελα να εκφραστώ, αλλά ήμεθα κόσμιοι) χαχααχαχ. Το βίντεο αξίζει συγχαρητήρια!!!

  13. Για μένα αν είχα λεφτά θα επερνά το Audi, τι να λέμε τώρα το καλυτερο αμαξι το γερμανικο ,δεν θέλω να σχολιάσω τα αλλά αμάξια γιατί θα παρεξηγηθούνε αλλά σέβομαι την επιλογή του καθένα και τα πιστεύω του.

  14. Με διαφορά καλύτερο το RS3 δεν καταλαβαίνω τι έμεινε αναπάντητο… Σε όλα μάλιστα!

  15. You give the Type R the same power as the Audi RS3 and it will destroy it.
    The Type R has the very best handling, even the driver says so.
    The RS3 is only strong in the straights, who cares about the straights, the fun of a hot hatch is in the twisties.

  16. He's comparing a 400hp car with a 245hp car. Well audi also has a S3 with 310hp. Sounds better to me. And VW has a Golf R with 300hp. Why you're using such huge hp differences?

  17. Excellent review, great driving and good filming. Unbiased opinions are also appreciated. As many of us know, there is a lot of BS in some of the Hot Hatch reviews

  18. Αν το focus το οδηγούσες κανονικά και όχι σαν driftadiko στο Μαραθώνα θα είχε κατέβει κάτω απο το 131 άνετα.

  19. mike do you believe that if you had pushed a bit more the type r,would you have beaten the rs3 rime???however it is obvious from the video that u have tested the type r after the rs3,that means different tarmac temperature….does this play an important role in terms of the outcome?

  20. Καταπληκτικό βίντεο..
    Σαν ιδιοκτήτης Ford παλαιότερα και Peugeot ένιωθα μεγάλη χαρά βλέποντας ρο βίντεο αυτό!!
    Αλλά τι να πεις και για το Honda;;;
    Πραγματικός Samurai!!
    Συγχαρητήρια πολύ καλή δουλειά..

  21. Power difference between GTi and Type-r as equal as Type-R and RS3. And difference in Time? Pooor Audi, Honda is that beast. 2. Cupra and 3. Focus.

  22. Θεϊκό review!!!! World class οδήγηση και σύγκριση σε πίστα! Μπράβο σε όλους και κυρίως στην οδηγάρα-δημοσιογράφο!

  23. Καλή δουλειά το hyundia i 30 performance δεν δοκιμάσατε θα ήταν καλή επιλογή

  24. Audi power άλλη μια φορά…Όσο πάει και εξελίσσεται προς το καλύτερο…Ειδικά αυτό το quattro από παλιά βουλωνει στόματα..Τέλος όσοι χλευάζουν τα vag στο τέλος πίνουν το τσαγακι τους.Επίσης εμφανισιακά είναι από τα πιο ωραία κ κυριλέ αυτοκίνητα τα Audi.Το civic σε όλα τα review του εξωτερικού το λένε μεν καλό αυτοκίνητο και το πιο φθηνό αλλά και το πιο άσχημο λαϊκιστή καγκουρικο..

  25. Awesome comparison! Great video-shots, editing, content, narrative (thanks for the subtitles). The presenter is a very good driver as well, I know this track well as I have done a few trackdays on it, and times in the low 1:30s for the power/weight of those cars are exceptional. Laptimes standings are expected. The Focus RS looks absolutely insane 🙂 and most fun to drive, the civic apparently is the best track car. I just hate front wheel drive "hot hatches" for their lack of traction (and wheelhop) in the lower gears. If I had to choose, I would take the RS3 for the looks, traction, great straightline performance, supercar tunability potential (800 awhp) and the AMAZING 5 cylinder engine!

  26. I'd get the Type R out of these. Amazing performance for its price! A proper transmission. Sufficiently large to be a perfectly practical daily driver. FWD is fine in the winter where I live. Will outlast the rest, while also being cheaper to maintain. It looks nice, the Germans with their repetitive style across models are too boring for me.

  27. Ωραία thumbnails,σκηνοθεσία,αφήγηση,ικανοποιητικός ήχος,και πρώτα αυτοκίνητα αναμφίβολα το ελληνικό drive είναι μπροστά στην κατηγορία του για τα ελληνικά δεδομένα συνεχίστε έτσι.

  28. ωραιο συγκριτικο,φοβερη παρουσιαση,λειπουν καποια αυτοκινητα οπως το i30n για παραδειγμα το οποιο και λογω τιμης ενδιαφερει πολυ την ελληνικη αγορα,ισως και ενα golf R για να μπορει να συγκριθει με τα πιο σκληροπυρηνικα της παρεας,ακομα και ενα megane rs .απο το πρωτο μεχρι το τελευταιο ολα ειναι φοβερα αυτοκινητα.ευχαριστουμε για το βιντεο

  29. So the car that supposedly understeers like mad and handles like a pig is actually faster than the razor sharp Focus RS and Type R? Lol just goes to show journos know fuck all


  31. Why do you watch Cris Harry’s drive the the type vs the LC500 so you can see the type R dift mean you need more skills to drive the man type a bit better.

  32. οι αντιδρασεις του οταν οδηγουσε το type r και ο ενθουσιασμος του τα λενε ολα…

  33. Πολυ ορεο βιντεο… Μια απορια το toyota grmn σε τι κατηγορια ανηκει?

  34. Πολύ καλή δουλειά συγχαρητήρια στο παλικάρι τα λέει απλα και επιστημονικά ταυτόχρονα για εμάς τους λιγότερο ενημερωμένους.. μπράβο ωραία εκπομπή. Πώς θα μαθαίνουμε τις επισκέψεις σας στις Σέρρες να σας δούμε και από κοντά?? Επίσης θα ήταν ωραίο να δοκιμάσετε το golf R .. συγχαρητήρια και πάλι παιδιά


  36. Δεν είχα ξαναδεί βίντεό σου. Είσαι από τους λίγους ,δεν ξερω κάποιον άλλο αλλά δεν λέω ο μόνος για να μην είμαι υπερβολικός , που έχω ακούσει τέτοια αναλυτική περιγραφή της συμπεριφοράς αυτοκινήτου . Πάρα πολύ ωραίο βίντεο με ειρμό ,εύστοχος και χωρίς τις άσκοπες περιγραφές και τα θεατρικά σενάρια που συνήθως ακούμε και βλέπουμε από δημοσιογράφους σε εκπομπές αυτοκινήτων κλπ.Πολλά μπράβο.

  37. These kinds of shootouts will always be debatable. You measured only fun. Which one of these is better to live with on day to day basis? Because the buyer of hot hatch probably will have only that one car.

  38. Πολλά μπράβο ακόμη μια φορά για αυτήν την φοβερή παρουσίαση! Αμαξαρες το rs και το type r πολύ ξεχωριστά και τα δύο αυτοκίνητα μπράβο Μιχάλη που το κράτησες έτσι και δεν έβγαλες κάποιο νικητή γιατί έτσι θα αδικουσες το άλλο αμάξι..

  39. Νομίζω ότι είναι η καλύτερη παραγωγή που έχω δει στον ελληνικό ειδικό τύπο, τηλεόρασης συμπεριλαμβανομένης. Ο δημοσιογράφος ξέρει τόσο να οδηγεί όσο και να μιλάει, καταφέρνει να μεταφέρει την εμπειρία του στον θεατή. Επίσης, επιτέλους μια εκπομπή με ωραία πλάνα! Συγχαρητήρια σε όλους τους συντελεστές!

  40. Ολα τους ειναι ωραια το καθενα εχει την ιδιεταιροτητα του…..ενας αγνος ιδεολογος petrolhead δεν ασχολειτε με βλακωδης οπαδοποιησεις χωρων κατασκευης….συγχαρητηρια για τη δοκιμη

  41. Φανταστική δουλειά φίλε .
    Λείπει το Megane και το astra

  42. Well few days ago i imbarresd type r with a shitty s3 😂 he came 3 times, sucked a cock and than he stayd behind thats how ashame he was 😂. I know on perfect, dry track they seem to be fast but on daily streight road they suck…and look like cheap shit to

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