Fieldsports Britain – How to fit your gun + crow shooting, episode 135

Fieldsports Britain – How to fit your gun + crow shooting, episode 135

[Music] Welcome to Fieldsports Britain. Coming up
Simon Barr from Realtree is shooting large black birds. First, how important is it that
your shot gun fits you? We find out on a simulated game day in Hertfordshire. There are as many reasons for missing a bird
as there are for hitting one, but today we want to redress the balance. William Powell gunmakers has chosen a deep
flowing drive on the Hexton estate in Bedfordshire to show off their range of side by sides and
over and unders. It is a free try before you buy day. We are hosting an event today, because it
is a great opportunity for visitors to come along and try and use our guns. A gun is a
big investment to people. You would not buy a car without test driving it first, but plenty
of people buy guns for £10,000 without trying them. On hand are some of this traditional gunmaker’s
gunroom staff to ensure these very smart guns fit you like a glove. Who knows how many shotgun
owners are out there with ill-fitting 12 bores. Imagine if Beckham wore boots two sizes too
big for him – he wouldn’t be a shooting God and neither will you be if you’re not comfortable. People might come into the gun room, they
would pick up a gun. I have just got one of the Powells here. They close it up in the
gun room. It is all empty and they would close it up and just mount it. And it is very easy
for you in that false situation when you are not shooting, under pressure to mount a gun
and you make your body fit the gun. And you fundamentally do lots of different things
to make you fit the gun. For instance with this gun, if I put my hand just a bit further
along the stock, along the barrel sorry and all I do when I mount this gun, if I mount
it up, you can clearly see now that my head is very far back on the stock. The stock looks
massively long for me. Not change the gun at all. Place my hand down on the action,
mount the same gun and suddenly to get my eyes in the right position I have suddenly,
my nose is right up on top of the gun and again the stock length is wrong for me, totally
wrong. All I need to do, and coincidently this gun does actually fit me, put my hand
where it should be, on the middle of the fore end with an
over and an under and if I just mount it there it is virtually in the right sort of place.
The difference is depending where you mount the gun and how you falsify it, you can make
if fit you, unfit you, and do what ever you want. This is the first time the old English gunmaker
has done this sort of thing and it has attracted guns from near and far. Mark Bladon and his
friend are on familiar territory. They shoot the simulated and the game days offered here
at Hexton. Mark’s in the market for a new William Powell Pegasus. I have come back today because the offer of
having a gun completely fitted for you and measured seemed too good to be true. So it
was very important to come here and get a gun fitted and made to measure. Mathew now takes Mark through the process
of ensuring his William Powell doesn’t just look beautiful but fits beautifully too. Needs to be a little bit lower there. Yup, I can see all of your eye is the honest
truth. I can see all of it and just a bit underneath. So what I will probably do is
just bring the comb down a little bit for you. Now that looks about right to me, perfect.
I can see all of your eye. The stock used for the fittings can be pushed
and pulled in all directions – the size of our chest, face shoulders, all need to be
taken into consideration. So if you have gone up a neck size from 16 to 18 inches your gun
won’t fit you quite as well as it once did. These guys cannot stress the importance enough
of a well fitted gun. So why not grab your unloaded shotgun, stick yourself infront of
a mirror and see if you are moulding yourself to your gun or whether the gun moulds to you. Right we are going to look at the four movements
in which we can move the gun. We are looking at the length, the bend, the height of the
comb and the cast. First of all we are going to look at the length
of the gun and on the trial gun we can alter this by altering these screws and this. So
what I am going to ask Andrew to do is first of all just mount the gun up into the sky
and we will have a look at the length. Whilst we are looking at Andrew at the moment, he
has got his hand in a reasonable position in the middle of the fore end, but if we come
back round here and we look at his positioning of his back of his hand to his nose we can
probably fit 3 or possibly 4 fingers in. The perfect length we are looking at is to fit
2 fingers in. So if Andrew dismounts the gun now, and what I will do is just undo these
and shorten the stock. So if you just mount the gun up again Andrew and let us just have
a look to see where you are. That looks about right. If we just pop in, so we can see we
have got 2 fingers and if Andrew moves his head forward, a better position of his head
we can see has 2 fingers width between the back of his hand and this thing. Next we are going to look at the bend of the
stock. So if Andrew just moves his hand there, we can see the stock is coming down at this
angle and what it creates is different lengths from the trigger pull to what we call the
mid, the toe and the heel of the gun. And this truly goes back to the actual shape of
your shoulder to your breast and as you can see mine is relatively flat, but a larger
person may have one that is more sloping. So what I will do on this is just ask Andrew
to mount it up and see if it fits nicely into this curve of his shoulder. If you just dismount
it a minute Andrew and do that up we can actually see what is going on. So as we can see there,
if I come round and ask Andrew to just let go with his left hand, keep it there, we can
see that the flat of the stock is perfectly in line with his shoulder. If he was a little
bit larger it would be tucked in and have a gap at the top. If he was much smaller the
opposite would happen and we would have a gap at the bottom. So we can tell that that is a perfect bend length for Andrew.
Thirdly we will go on to look at the cast. Andrew is a right handed shot as we can see
from the way he is mounting the gun and typically a right handed shot will have cast on or off.
As I know Andrew, he is a right handed shot, shoots with both eyes open and shoots with
a dominant right eye and I roughly know he will roughly be around an 1/8 th cast off
on the gun. So I already know that this gun is cast off to that. And what we can do is
go back to my demonstration earlier of when we are looking the gun is empty, is all we
do is look down the end of the gun and I can see there is a slight curve on the cast of
the gun as I look down it on the left hand side and that tells me it is cast off. When we are looking at the height of the comb
what we do is we measure back from the flat of the gun all the way back through to the
back and we have 3 measurements. We measure the height at the comb, height at the face,
which is the mid point and height at the heel. And we measure those because actually the
cast and the bend of the gun will actually change that, but also you need to know how
high up the distance to where the face is to where the eye sits on the barrel. So what
I have asked Andrew to do to do this one, I will ask him, I know the gun is empty, so
I will ask him to shut the gun and just mount the gun at 90 degrees, flat to him, just mount
it flat straight up. What I do then is come round the side and I will just come round
to this side and look down the barrel. Now if you come round to this side you will be
able to see looking straight down the barrel, and if you can hold that there Andrew, if
you look down the barrel you can see all of Andrew’s eye and a small piece of his eyelid
at the bottom. His eye then is looking over the top
of the gun and his perception to the end of the gun is coming down onto here and if I
completely raise the gun up like this and Andrew tells me what he can see, what are
you starting to see now? Lots of gun. Lots of gun and can you see what the end of
the gun is doing? No. Not a thing. So what we need to do in that
instance is to look at the height of the comb. So we will go back to the gun and the keys
and what we will do, they are very easy to manipulate these guns. You just slightly undo
the screws and just from my guess work and it really is guess work, trial and error,
getting some feed back from your client exactly where they think it should be and obviously
experience with the shape of people will help. So if you do the same exercise. Again if you
could just mount that gun, perfect, and I will just come round this end, we know it
is empty and come round and look at Andrew. If I look straight down there I can see all
of his eye. There is a possibility that the end of the gun is just covering the bottom
of the coloured piece of his eye. So what I think I will do now is if Andrew drops the
gun down a little bit again, I will just lift it a tiny bit. A tiny measurement will make
a difference obviously when everything goes up to a further distance away, a few millimetres
at this end can make a massive difference on
the bird that is 30 or 40 yards away. See what is going on with that. So if you
just mount that up again Andrew and I will come round again and just have a look and
I can see all of his eye there now. So if I lift his gun up now and I keep raising it
Andrew should now be able to see at the end of the gun all the way up through and even
when he gets to this point where he is going to shoot his very high pheasant he should
still be looking all the way down the end of his gun which I hope you are Andrew. Yes, that is great. So if you bring it back down and mount to
the camera, you will be able to see that you can see the full piece of his eye. The fitting has definitely worked for Andrew,
and we hope it has also helped you spot whether your gun is a bit rough on the shoulder. William Powell is keen to do more of these
events for customers to come along, have a pop at a few good clays and consider one of
their range of guns. Now if you love shooting you will love the
Shooting Show. You will see a clip of it appearing in this …. beside me. Next it is David on
the Fieldsports Channel News Stump. [Music] This is Fieldsports Britain News. Stars from rock and roll, sport and TV have
been raising cash for charity by shooting and fishing at Meon Springs Fishery in Hampshire. In all 16 teams helped raise over £20,000
for Fishing for Heroes. Sir Ian Botham caught his three fish limit in 10 minutes flat. Mike
Atherton, David ‘Bumble’ Lloyd, Glen Tipton from Judas Priest, Chris de Margary from Simply
Red, and Gold Cup winning jockey, Sam Thomas, also helped make the day a success. Hunter,
Jeep, Hardys, Waitrose and Eley Hawk all made the day possible. George Digweed has won yet another European
Title – his second in a month. This time it was the European Fitasc Championships
in Portugal. George dropped just five shots entering a score of 195. Mark Windsor was
second on 193. The competition attracted 800 shots from all over the World This is George’s
16th European crown. Staying with best British shooting and English
Gunmaker William Powell has announed the arrival of a new over and under model that will go
head to head with the likes of Berreta’s highly popular silver pigeon. William powell’s perseus
is under £1800.00 and is targeting the entry level shotgun owner who wants something a
little different. You don’t want to turn up on a shoot and shoot
the same gun as everybody else really. That is what we are doing with our William Powells
they are different, they are unique and they are really good value for money. So will the bad weather be bad news for partridge
shoots this season. Rain during Royal Ascot traditionally means death for partridge chicks.
However the game farmers are reassuring shoots that although the bad weather doesn’t make
their job easier, chicks are safe thanks to modern rearing techniques. And finally, Kenya’s wildlife crisis has worsened
with 6 of its dwindling lion population being speared to death by angry locals in a single
incident following livestock losses. There are about 1500 lions left in Kenya and they
are being killed at a rate of around 100 a year. Kenya does not allow any hunting. But
so far in 2012 it has had 133 elephant killed and 11 rhino. You are now up to date with Fieldsports Britain
News. Stalking the stories. Fishing for facts. [Music] Thank you David. Some really important stories
there, I thought. Now, corvids and what shall we do about them. I know call Simon Barr from
Realtree. [Music] If I say it is before dawn on the morning
of the summer solstice you will get an idea of how early it is. I am joining game chef,
Mark Gilchrist, on a crow shooting outing to minimise the impact they are having on
a farmer’s crop. We need to be set up in a hide within the next 45 minutes to catch the
crows as they start leaving their roost and heading for breakfast. You always find big populations of crows where
ever you have got pig farms, chicken farms, or dairy farms. That is where there are big
amounts of crows. Or somewhere where they are fattening bull beef. They are always making
themselves unwelcome customers and when it gets light you will see what I mean. There
are just patches here that they just ruin. When they are doing what they are doing it
doesn’t take long to make the crop uneconomical to grow. Many will not realise the damage crows cause
to crops. These crafty corvids do not just keep to livestock farms and the young crop
we are trying to protect is sustaining quite a hammering. The birds are not eating the
shoots, but pulling them out of the soil to expose leather jackets, worms and grubs underneath.
We will have a look at this later. But now I want to find out if there is much of an
art to crow decoying as pigeon decoying. Mark what sort of a pattern do you go for
with crows? To make a pattern, it doesn’t matter what
it is, the patterns don’t make any difference. Anyone telling you want an L shape pattern,
or Z shape pattern, is just making it up. You just want a big area of decoys and a hole
where you want them to land. One tactic that works quite well with crows is a big area
of crows widely dispersed, if you see what I mean. So all the decoys 15 yards apart so
that they come over and look at it and I think. I have got a theory which will probably be
proved wrong at some stage, they don’t look at the number of birds they look at the size
that has birds in it. So you are much better off with a sparsely populated area of crows
that is bigger, than more in a smaller area. So more on the spread than the density. Yes, if only I was as skilled a journalist
as you are I would be able to use those complicated words that would explain what I was trying
to say. We hear the caws of crows as they make a start
to their day. With the addition of natural foliage covering our Realtree AP cannon netting
we are ready for them. Mark gets a few shots off straight away and opens the batting. Mark
takes the job of controlling vermin on farmland very seriously. I feel quite honoured I may
also get a shot off. As enjoyable as this outing with a gun is, Mark is most definitely
working. So Mark we have caught up with a few now and
it is very different from pigeon shooting. What would you say are the key differences
when shooting crows over pigeons? Well, you need to be in the right place at
the right time. This time of year you need to be up early. Even on a good day it is all
over by 8, 9 o’clock. They find somewhere else and they spread out. Actually when taking
the shot you need to be a lot stiller. They are a funny bird in that they are more intelligent,
oddly enough crows can also be quite arrogant in the sense that once you have got them fooled
you can often think it is incomprehensible that it can be a trap, if you have got a decent
enough set up they come straight in and they can be very silly, once you have got them
in that position. Once they have taken the bait they are in. Yes. It may be midsummer but the rain starts coming
down in stair rods. We knew it was forecast, so why are we here. So Mark we are out on the longest day of the
year, you got me out of bed at 2.30am, it is tipping down with rain. Keep still, keep still. How on earth did I
miss that. I thought you hit it. No, no the first shot. That really was too
pathetic. I will start again Mark. So it is the longest
day of the year, you got me out of bed very early. It is tipping down with rain. Talk
to me a little bit about why it is important to come out in these miserable conditions. You just have to look after the farmer. I
don’t have a sporting lease on the 45,000 acres I shoot on. It is all a grace and favour
exercise. So the only thing I can do for the farmer is be effective or be seen to be making
an effort. Now it is my turn and with some learning advice
from Mark on steadily swinging through these deceptively large targets I connect with a
number of satisfying birds. That is it. Lovely. There you go. Lovely shot. Too far away. That is it. Lovely. That is it. That is is.
Lovely. That is another good thing to do. Do exactly
the right thing. Go up on it and if it looks like it is going to make a better shot, just
don’t pull the trigger and then get him. As the rest of the country starts its day,
less crows come over our hide allowing for just a few more shots before this crop protection
exercise comes to a halt. We can now pick up the birds we have shot and have a look
at the damage they have been causing. Each bird will probably have to pull up, now
let us guess, 10 plants to get a full crop and there were 100 here the other morning
and ok we may not have killed that many to take out of the equation, but the rest of
them have heard us banging away and as they fly over they will remember, because they
are clever birds, they will remember the shooting and won’t come any where near it. Well we have finished up our morning and it
is the summer solstice and we have already taken huge advantage of the longest day of
the year. We have connected with quite a few crows and Mark has now packed up the hide
and I think he is getting a little bit excited because he is …….right I better crack
on. I have learnt a great deal on this midsummer
management trip from expert Mark. These birds are far smarter than pigeons and take experience
and commitment to effectively control. Fair weather shooting this was not, but to do a
good job for the farmer, the smaller bags are equally as important as the big ones.
Mark has been a great help and I have immensely enjoyed a fascinating morning with a management
master in his pursuit of excellence. Having risen at 2.30 and stood in the rain for 5
hours, we both deserve a full English Fieldsports breakfast and a large mug of tea. Staying with shotguns, how do you clean your
shotgun the best way. Let’s ask those clever folk from Browning. As you can see this is an old gun what is
known in the trade as a nail. If you add water and oxygen to metal it is going to rust. Your
pride and joy will soon end up like this. Every time you have been shooting, if you
are going to take your gun out on a regular basis, every week or even every fortnight,
just give your gun a basic clean. Take your gun apart into 3 main components, fore end,
the barrels, actional stock. Once you have removed any moisture and surface dirt, spray
the gun with a cleaning oil or fluid. If you use an oily rag great, but you are putting
oil back on to your gun every time so if you remove any dirt with clean kitchen roll and
reapply new stuff with new kitchen roll or something similar, you are not adding dirt
and grit which will scratch the action or the finish on the woodwork. Spray down the
barrel with your spray or any other spray. Get a …..brush like so. You can get 2 sized
brushes obviously for different calibres. You can have a chamber brush and a ball brush.
The chamber brush is for a slightly larger area where
your shells go. Give it a damn good scrub, then push it right the way through push through
several times. Once you have done that and you have loosened any fouling that is in there.
Take a standard piece of kitchen roll, put it into the top of the barrel like that, simply
brush it through, out it comes the other end. That is such a tight seal it will have moved
most. Then you will find the bores inside will be highly polished and cleaned. You can
then reapply a slight amount of oil just to prevent any moisture getting back into the
barrels and eating away. If you look after them, guns will last you a lifetime. Now we filmed that for Browning at the Oxford
Gun Company shop and clay ground, and the owners of the Oxford Gun Company this year
celebrate 30 years in the business. So they are throwing a party for the great, the good,
the bad and even the ugly from the shooting industry. Fabulous family. Made me feel so welcome since taking on the
Game Fair. Thank you very much. If you want to see more from this event, and
you are watching this on YouTube, follow the link on the screen. It is hunting YouTube. This week we are celebrating Euro2012 and
the slow collapse of the euro by highlighting some foreign films. Thanks to everyone who
has sent in their favourites. Well they certainly do things differently
in Turkey. Bilalarabaci – forgive the pronunciation – shows a woodcock shooting film where the
dogs wear radio collars, the shooters wear orange and they carry semi-autos. If you can
put up with the bad language – and I assure you Turkish is a bad language – you will find
this fascinating, not least that they are out with a group called Yoncali Timi Nazim
Öksü, which means literally ‘Orphans Master Shamrock team’. Talking of shamrocks, after a two-month break,
the remarkable Irish shooting documentary-maker which is punchy enough to call itself ‘CreamThem’
on YouTube has uploaded another film. ‘Trialling a Spaniels Journey’ is a short, sharp video
about a gundog trial with great filming, a sense of disappointment you can’t see the
whole thing – this is just a trailer – and, happily, no cream. Now, we have made lots of good factory films
for manufacturers including Norma ammunition, Zeiss optics and Browning shotguns, and here
is one from the USA by AmmoMfgProducts, made early last year. It shows CCI’s .22 rimfire
ammunition facility in Lewiston, Idaho. And it’s very good. Of course ours are better. Our friend and viewer Rijk from the Netherlands
is back with another favourite film this week. Forget pheasants – this from ArchipelagoNZ2
is peacock shooting in New Zealand. But the quarry is not important for gundog enthusiasts
who will delight to see a team of Cesky Fouskies at work – good grief, can’t we have a dog
with a sensible name? So we have to introduce you to this channel.
Called DylanDog69 it’s in Italian and is all about, well, not just catching enormous catfish
and carp but jumping into the water with them afterwards, splashing around and it’s hard
to know what’s happening here. Emotional, continentals. Back to Blighty and airgunning: CountryPursuitsTV
has a Daystate Mk4IS on test. Rabbits be nervous. He tries it out next to a tuned Air Arms Evo2
and finds it is almost but not quite the Evo Knevo’s equal. Good work by CountryPursuitsTV.
Bad luck those rabbits. If you ever wondered whether it could be done,
BigSigh66 shows that it can, with the correct windage, elevation adjustments and surely
a modicum of luck: a .204 Ruger shooting a 39-grain Sierra Blitzking with a muzzle velocity
of 3,700 feet per second kills a rabbit at 458 yards – that’s more than a quarter of
a mile. Believe it, or not. Let’s finish on a film so painfully patronising
and pointless, so moronic, so everything that’s wrong with both football and ordinary telly.
It comes from some sleeping beauty of a BBC producer who thinks it would be an awesome
idea for the footballer Ian Wright to go hunting with the Kalahari bushmen. There must be a simpler way, Jesus, that is
terrible that is. Go to the butcher and buy it. Somebody else
killed it then. BBCWorldwide has the gall to say the former
Arsenal striker is ‘surprisingly squeamish’ when it cannot bring itself to show any of
the hunting that takes place, only Wright blithering in the noonday sun while men who
live and die by what they catch and hunt are reduced to being victims of his otiose attempts
at humour. It’s the new Reithian principles: misinform, ill-educate and you will never
be fired for hiring a footballer. It is television as voluntary tinnitus. Thank you for listening.
Rant over. You can click on any of these films to watch
them. If you have a YouTube film you would like us to pop in to the weekly top eight,
send it in via YouTube, or email me the link [email protected] Well that is it for this week. We are of course
back next week. And if you are watching this on YouTube you will see various things appearing
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30 Replies to “Fieldsports Britain – How to fit your gun + crow shooting, episode 135”

  1. not being funny or anything, but what gives you the authority over others to comment on other vids when your own vids aren't perfect ? do you think that you are special over others ? you are on youtube just like us. you are just like everyone else.

  2. why dont these people reply ? easy they dont give a shite what you think they are getting payed for your view, EG your click of the mouse to watch the vid. they are no more specialists in field craft than me or you but they get payed for your click to view the vid, you sad sole .. lol.

  3. You're right Mr TightLips – we're horrible. Team Wild is still going strong on its teamwildhunting YouTube channel where you will see all the latest from Ian Harford and Simon Barr. There's a link to it from this week's programme.

  4. Mr Tightarse more like, up in arms about Fieldsports' money making, which on the otherhand is sponsored and supported. I think somone is just a little jealous…

  5. wtf i know you have to get revenue but most of that episode felt like an infomercial. sorry guys …. fail:(

  6. Another great episode. I'm a regular viewer, missed this weeks episode and searched for gun fit…. sure enough, this was the result. Many don't pay attention to gun fit they buy a gun and make it fit. After seeing the value of gun fit when I trap and skeet shoot, I refuse to not have a gun fit again! Great episode.

  7. I believe it's a great idea for Charlie the ham, stumpy David and all the boys at Fieldsportschannel to engage in cross promoting the way they do it and it's bloody good form guys. I hope they get as much promotion back from the channels they promote in every show because they really do deserve it.

  8. Thanks for a great program. You asked for good videos – Kristoffer clausen from Norway is in my opinion one of The best producers. He has done it all from crowhunting to bears and tigers… You ought to see him in your programme

  9. Another great episode.
    Thank you so much to everyone who has send their favorites on our Armsan sponsored "Yoncali Team and Kadir Karakas" Woodcock Hunting video.

  10. please offer me some advice as to what 12g to get I only have crow and pigeon permissions I am wondering whether to get over and under or semi auto I learnt to shoot over and under but isn't an auto different to shoot?

  11. Wonder if u can help me I shoot on a beater day and I'm left handed but when I put the gun up I can see up the barrels and I clean my dad gun what I was shoot with and after I put the gum up in my right shoulder empty and I could see up the rib with my left eye could u help

  12. great channel ,just passed my test (jagd prüfung )for hunting licence wish i´d found you guys earlier.Thanks ,keep up the good work .

  13. semi auto shotguns are legal in the UK? if you are an american and move to the UK is it possible to buy or bring your guns with you ? do you have public land hunts or do you need to buy a lease or join a hunt club

  14. The English pay the right amount of attention to the importance of a proper fitting shotgun. I pull for many, many sporting clays tournaments held for companies and charities (and therefore are fraught with beginning shooters). Not only do the ill fitting guns they bring result in many misses, but often the guns beat their shoulders to a pulp! Ill fitting guns are responsible for a lot of people never taking up a shooting sport because of a very physically (and mentally) unpleasant first experience.

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