2018 Kansas Governor’s Debate

2018 Kansas Governor’s Debate


>>Announcer: WHO SHOULD BE THE
NEXT GOVERNOR KANSAS?
>>WHAT’S GOING ON IN TOPEKA IS
JUST OUTRAGEOUS.>>I KNOW STATE GOVERNMENT
INSIDE AND OUT.
>>BEING AN INDEPENDENT REALLY
LIB BERATES ME TO SERVE CAN’T SANS IN WAYS THAT NO OTHER
GOVERNOR CAN.
>>Announcer: BEFORE YOU VOTE,
EXPERIENCE THE CANDIDATES FOR YOURSELF, FROM THE DOUBLETREE
HOTEL IN OVERLAND PARK, IT’S THE
KANSAS GOVERNOR’S DEBATE
PRESENTED BY THE JOHNSON COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION, 1400 MEMBERS
SERVING THE COMMUNITY SINCE
1938.
AND NOW YOUR DEBATE MODERATOR FROM KANSAS CITY PUBLIC
TELEVISION, NICK HAINES.
>>Nick: WELCOME, EVERYONE,
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THIS HOUR, WE’RE CONDUCTING A
JOB INTERVIEW.
IT’S FOR A POSITION THAT PAYS
$99,000 A YEAR AND YES, THERE ARE BENEFITS, INCLUDING A
CHAUFFEUR-DRIVEN CAR AND A
MANSION OVERLOOKING THE KANSAS
RIVER. I’M TOLD FROM OUR FRIENDS AT THE
KANSAS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, IT’S
THE SMALLEST GOVERNOR’S
RESIDENCE IN THE COUNTRY. THAT BEING SAID, IT IS RENT
FREE.
BUT WITH PRIVILEGE COMES TO
RESPONSIBILITY. HOW ABOUT CARRYING ON YOUR
SHOULDERS EVERY SINGLE DATE
HOPES AND DREAMS, THE HAPPINESS
AND WELL-BEING OF NEARLY THREE MILLION PEOPLE.
WHO IS BEST EQUIPPED TO TAKE ON
THAT EADERSHIP ROLE?
IS IT THE STATE’S CHIEF ELECTIONS OFFICER, KANSAS
SECRETARY OF STATE KRIS KOBACH?
HE IS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
OR IS IT THE STATE SENATOR FROM TOPEKA LAURA KELLY?
SHE’S THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IN
THIS RACE.
OR IS IT GREG ORMAN WHO’S WAGING AN INDEPENDENT CAMPAIGN FOR
KANSAS GOVERNOR?
HE IS A JOHNSON COUNTY
BUSINESSMAN AND FORMER UNITED STATES SENATE CANDIDATE.
NOW, WHEN SAM BROWNBACK
ANNOUNCED THIS JANUARY HE WOULD
BE LEAVING KANSAS TO BECOME THE NATION’S AMBASSADOR FOR
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, THERE WAS A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOOKED IN THE
MIRROR AND SAW THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF KANSAS STARING BACK AT THEM.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE THE
MOST UNIQUELY QUALIFIED PERSON
TO BE THE GOVERNOR OF KANSAS, LAURA KELLY?
>>Kelly: WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAME
TO KANSAS 32 YEARS AGO.
WE MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE HERE.
I GREW UP IN A MILITARY FAMILY,
MOVED LL OVER THE WORLD, SO
WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I HAD OUR FIRST CHILD, WE REALLY WANTED TO
ESTABLISH SOME VERY DEEP ROOTS,
AND WE SAW KANSAS AS THE PLACE
TO DO THAT. THERE WERE GOOD JOBS AVAILABLE,
A VERY STRONG SENSE OF
COMMUNITY, AND TERRIFIC PUBLIC
SCHOOLS. AND MY DAUGHTERS BOTH GOT A
WORLD-CLASS EDUCATION IN OUR
SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF THEM AND THE
TEACHERS, AND I’M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT EVERY CHILD, NO MATTER
WHO THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY LIVE,
HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO SUCCEED THAT MY DAUGHTERS DID.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: I THINK TTLK IS CHEAP
IN POLITICS. POLITICIANS ARE ALWAYS MAKING
PROMISES AND SAYING THEY’LL DO
THIS OR THAT, BUT RESULTS ARE
SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I’VE SHOWN THE PEOPLE OF KANSAS THAT
I DELIVER RESULTS.
AS SECRETARY OF STATE, I
PROMISED WE’D HAVE PHOTO ID, PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP AND I’D CUT
THE SIZE OF MY OFFICE AND I
DELIVERED ON ALL THREE PROMISES.
YOU MAY NOT PERSONALLY AGREE WITH ME ON ALL THREE, BUT YOU
CAN SEE BY MY ACTIONS THAT IF I
MAKE A PROMISE, I’LL PUT MY HEAD
AND PUSH AS HARD AS TOPIC DELIVER ON THE PROMISE.
SO — AS HARD AS I CAN TO
DELIVER ON THE PROMISE.
SAYS GOVERNOR, I’M PROMISING TO CUT TAXES AND SPENDING, WHICH
WAS THE MISSING INGREDIENT OF
THE BROWNBACK TAX CUTS IN 2012
AND WE’LL REDUCE OUR TAX RATE IN KANSAS, ESPECIALLY OUR PROPERTY
TAXES WHICH WILL HAVE, IF I’M
GOVERNOR, A 2% CAP ON
APPRAISALS. WE’RE OVERTAXED.
WE’RE THE HIGHEST TAXED STATE IN
THE FIVE-STATE AREA.
I’LL DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE. AS FAR AS CUTTING SPENDING GOES,
I CUT MY BUDGET FROM 7.0 MILLION
DOWN TO 6.4.
>>Nick: THANK YOU. GREG ORMAN?
>>Orman: NORMALLY I’D SAY IT’S
NICE TO SEE SO MANY FAMILIAR
FACES, BUT CONSIDERING THE CROWD, WILLIAM ALLEN WHITE, THE
FAMED EMPORIA GAZETTE EDITOR
SAID WHEN ANYTHING IS GOING TO
HAPPEN IN AMERICA, IT HAPPENS FIRST IN KANSAS.
KANSAS USED TO LEAD, IT USED TO
BE A PLACE THAT OTHER STATES
LOOKED TO FOR INSPIRATION. NOW WE’RE A CAUTIONARY TALE AND
FRANKLY, BOTH PARTIES ARE TO
BLAME.
WE’VE HAD TWO DECADES OF DECLINE IN KANSAS.
MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME ACTUALLY
PEAKED IN 2003, THE FIRST YEAR
KATHLEEN SEBELIUS TOOK OFFICE. HEALTH OUTCOMES IN CAST FROM
GONE FROM NUMBER 8 IN THE NATION
IN 1991 TO 27 TODAY AND OUR KIDS
HAVE BEEN LEAVING THE STATE FOR GREENER PASTURES FOR DECADES.
BOTH PARTIES HAVE HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SOLVE THIS.
BOTH PARTIES HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT KANSAS ON THE
RIGHT TRACK AND THEY HAVE
FAILED.
I BELIEVE MY BUSINESS BACKGROUND, MY EXPERIENCE
RUNNING AND MANAGING LARGE
ORGANIZATIONS,,UNIQUELY
QUALIFIES ME TO BE GOVERNOR AND I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN
THAT TODAY.
>>Nick: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AS YOU TRAVEL THE STATE AND TALK TO KANSANS, WHAT IS THE NUMBER
ONE ISSUE THEY TELL YOU THEY’RE
WORRIED ABOUT AND HOW IN 60
SECONDS OR LESS, LAURA KELLY, DO YOU PLAN ON FIXING IT?
>>Kelly: I THINK THERE ARE
THREE MAJOR ISSUES THAT I’M
HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS. OBVIOUSLY EDUCATION IS NUMBER
ONE, BUT ALSO OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT’S
ROADS OR BROADBAND IS SECOND, AND THEN THIRDLY, IT’S
HEALTHCARE.
THEY WANT MEDICAID EXPANSION AND
THEY WANT IT NOW. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT WHEN I’M GOVERNOR, I’LL
MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO.
WE’VE HAD TO CUT ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE OF THE
BROWNBACK TAX EXPERIMENT THAT
REALLY TOOK OUR STATE DOWN A
ROAD OF DEVASTATION, WHETHER YOU’RE LOOKING AT OUR ROADS OR
HEALTHCARE OR OUR ECONOMY.
WE NEED TO REVERSE THAT AND
THAT’S WHAT I’LL DO AS GOVERNOR.>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: WITHOUT QUESTION, THE
NUMBER ONE THING I HEAR IS
TAXES. LIKE I SAID, WE’RE THE HIGHEST
TAXED STATE IN THE FIVE-STATE
AREA.
WE HAD A RECORD BREAKING SALES TAX HIKE AND A RECORD BREAKING
INCOME TAX HIKE IN 2017.
THE COMBINED IMPACT ON THE
AVERAGE JOHNSON COUNTY HOUSEHOLD IS $1244 A YEAR OUT OF YOUR
WALLET IN ADDITION TO THE
PREVIOUS TAXES YOU WERE PAYING.
THAT’S A FAMILY VACATION. THAT’S FOOD ON THE TABLE.
THAT’S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT
COULD BE USED FOR YOUR HOUSEHOLD
AND TOPEKA IS NOT MANAGING THE MONEY LIKE WE WOULD MANAGE OUR
MONEY IN A LAW FIRM OR MANAGE
OUR MONEY IN A HOUSEHOLD.
INSTEAD, THE SPENDING JUST KEEPS GOING AND GOING AND GOING, AND
I’LL AGREE, UNDER REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS ADMINISTRATION,
THE SPENDING HAS BEEN GOING LIKE THIS.
I’LL REIN IN SPENDING.
TOMORROW DOESN’T HAVE A REVENUE
PROBLEM. IT HAS A SPENDING PROBLEM AND I
WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: I TRAVEL THE STATE AND I CLEARLY HEAR ISSUES LIKE
PUBLIC EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE.
THOSE ARE CLEARLY THINGS ON
PEOPLE’S MINDS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, KANSAS FACE AND
DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE.
OUR STATE IS AGING, OUR KIDS ARE
LEAVING THE STATE. IF WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CREATE THE JOBS AND
OPPORTUNITIES TO KEEP OUR KIDS
HERE AND HAVE THE RESOURCES TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, TO
INVEST IN PUBLIC EDUCATION, TO
INVEST IN HEALTHCARE, WE HAVE TO
GROW THE KANSAS ECONOMY. WHAT WE HAVE HAD HISTORICALLY
HAS BEEN A SERIES OF TACTICS.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY
AND THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED AS OUR
NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
WE’VE GOT IT ON OUR WEBSITE.
IT’S AVAILABLE, WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED PLAN THAT FOCUSES ON
LEVERAGING OUR STRENGTHS,
OVERCOMING OBSTACLES TO ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPING OUR WORKFORCE, AND ULTIMATELY
ADDRESSING OUR REPUTATIONAL
DEFICIT SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO
MOVE TO KANSAS.>>Nick: THE DEBATE RULES ALLOW
YOU 30 SECONDS TO REBUT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT 30
SECONDS, LAURA KELLY?>>Kelly: I WOULD.
I AGREE THAT THE ECONOMY NEEDS
TO GROW, BUT WHAT WE LOOK AT IS
WHAT HAPPENED OVER THESE PAST EIGHT YEARS TO MAKE IT STOP
GROWING.
IT WAS CUTTING OUR EDUCATION
SYSTEM, IT WAS CUTTING OUR ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AND
IT WAS NOT EXPANDING MEDICAID.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT WE’VE GOT TO DO IF WE’RE EVER GOING TO GROW THIS ECONOMY.
WE TOOK AWAY THE BIOSCIENCE
AUTHORITY, WHICH WAS PROBABLY
THE BEST ECONOMIC TOOL KANSAS EVER HAD IN PLACE.
WE DID THAT TO PAY FOR THE TAX
PLAN.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.>>Kobach: IF YOU LIKE THE
KINGSIAN IDEA OF HAVING THE
GOVERNMENT SPEND SPEND SPEND AND
HOPE THAT CREATES AN EFFECT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THEN I’M NOT
YOUR MAN.
YOU WANT TO BIG SPENDING
CANDIDATE, BUT IF YOU THINK BUSINESSES ARE DRIVEN BY THE
BOTTOM LINE AND THAT’S THE
AMOUNT OF TAXES THEY PAY AND THE
UTILITY RATES THEY PAY, I’LL TRY TO GET BOTH BELOW.
WE’RE ALSO THE HIGHEST UTILITY
RATE IN THE FIVE-STATE AREA.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET BUSINESS TO COME HERE WHEN OUR
TAXES ARE THE HIGHEST AND THE
UTILITIES ARE THE HIGHEST.
>>Nick: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: THE STATE OF KANSAS AS
$16 BILLION ENTERPRISE, IT
TOUCHES OF LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
THERE ARE OVER 17,000 EMPLOYEES
WORKING DIRECTLY FOR THE STATE
OF KANSAS. I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE ON STAGE
WHO’S ACTUALLY EVER GOTTEN
BETTER PERFORMANCE OUT OF LARGE,
OFTENTIMES VERY EFFICIENT ORGANIZATIONS AND I CAN DO THAT.
I KNOW SECRETARY KOBACH TALKED
ABOUT CUTTING HIS BUDGET, BUT
THE REALITY IS 70% OF THOSE CUTS CAME FROM A FEDERAL GRANT THAT
EXPIIED.
>>Nick: THE NEXT QUESTION GOES
TO YOU, MR. KOBACH. KATHERINE IN KANSAS CITY WANTS
TO KNOW SHOULD JUDGES ANYWAY A
ROLE IN HOW MANY MONEY IS SPENT
ON KANSAS SCHOOL CHILDREN? DUH SUPPORT A PROPOSED
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD GIVE THE LEGISLATURE
EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE THE JUDICIARY IS SAYING IN
DECISION AFTER DECISION, THIS
AMOUNT OF MONEY IS NOT ENOUGH.
ALEXANDER HAMILTON WROTE IN 1778, HE SAID WE NEED NOT FEAR
THE JUDICIARY BECAUSE IT HAS
NEITHER THE POWER OF THE SWORD
NOR THE POWER OF THE PURSE. THE KANSAS SUPREME COURT HAS
SEIZED THE POWER OF THE PURSE.
IT’S OUTSIDE ITS CONSTITUTIONAL
ROLE. THAT’S ONE PROBLEM THAT NEEDED
TO BE CORRECTED.
THE SECOND IS IT’S ABSOLUTELY
BUTCHERING ARTICLE 6, SECOND 6 OF THE KANSAS CONSTITUTION WHICH
SAYS THE LEGISLATURE SHALL MAKE
PROVISION FOR THE FUNDING OF
SCHOOLS SO NO CHILD NEEDS TO PAY TU TOITION ATTEND A PUBLIC
SCHOOL.
THAT’S ALMOST AN EXACT
PARAPHRASE. IT DOESN’T SAY EACH CHILD GETS
AN ADEQUATE OR SUPER ADEQUATE
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THE KANSAS SUPREME COURT IS OUT OF ITS LANE AND HAS
MISINTERPRETED THE CONSTITUTION.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT.
THE PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF
KANSAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR WHEN THEY INCLUDED IN THE
CONSTITUTION THAT WE NEED TO
PROVIDE SUITABLE EDUCATION FOR
OUR KIDS AND THE COURT JUST UPHELD THAT RULING, THEYYDID NOT
APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING.
THE LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATED THE
FUNDING. WE APPROPRIATED ENOUGH FUNDING
THIS PAST YEAR TO NEARLY PASS
COURT MUSTER.
WE NEED TO COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THE RATE OF INFLATION
BECAUSE WE OVERTURNED THE
BROWNBACK TAX PLAN, WE NOW HAVE
THE FUNDS IN THE KITTY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT IN
JANUARY WHEN WE GET BACK IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
>>Nick: GREG ORMAN GRI I THINK IT’S HELPFUL —
>>Orman: I HI IT’S HELPFUL THAT
THE SPOURPT FLAGGED THIS FOR US.
I DON’T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
WHILE WE’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
LAWSUIT, BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE
THAT WE’RE FACING IS AS IT RELATES TO EDUCATION, WE’RE
COMING AT IT FROM ANSWERS DRIVEN
BY TWO FAILED PLAY BOOKS.
I HEAR FROM MANY ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE NEED TO GO TO PRIVATE
SCHOOL VOUCHERS.
THERE’S ONE PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL
LEFT IN WICHITA. HOW DOES A PRIVATE SCHOOL
VOUCHER SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR A
KID IN COLBY, KANSAS.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE NEED TO POUR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IF NOT
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE TOP
OF THE FUNNEL.
I WANT TO DO WHAT A BUSINESS PERSON WOULD DO, FOCUS ON THE
ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM.
ULTIMATE, MY WIFE IS A —
ULTIMATELY, MY WIFE AS PUBLIC HE REPEAT ADD TALKING POINTS ONE
OF MY FORMER REPUBLICAN
OPPONENTS, SO HE CAN BE FORGIVEN
FOR HIS SOURCE, BUT THE FUNDS HE’S TALKING ABOUT, THEY’RE NOT
EMPTY.
WE STILL HAD ABOUT $2.5 MILLION
IN THAT FUND AND THAT WASN’T FORCING US TO CUT OUR BUDGET AND
WE JUST GOT ANOTHER ALMOST
4 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. WE CUT STAFF BY ATTRITION.
>>Nick: THANK YOU, LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: I HEAR KRIS SAY OVER
AND OVER, ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CUT IN THE STATE OF KANSAS AND
THINGS WILL BE FINE.
WHAT I’VE NEVER HEARD HIM TELL
US IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WOULD CUT. ARE WEEGOING TO CUT SCHOOLS,
FOSTER CARE, ROADS?
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CUT, KRIS,
TO PAY FOR YOUR TAX CUT?>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO
THE ISSUE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION,
IT’S THE ONLY MANUFACTURING PROCESS I KNOW OF WHERE YOU
DON’T CONTROL THE QUALITY OF
YOUR INPUT.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT KID AT NIGHT, ON THE WEEKENDS, DO THEY
HAVE TO WORK TILL 2:00 IN THE
MORNING TO HELP SUPPORT THEIR
FAMILY, DO THEIR PARENTS HAVE MULTIPLE JOBS?
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO
GET AT.
WE HAVE ON GROW THE KANSAS ECONOMY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
ALLOW THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO
CREATE GREAT JOBS IF PEOPLE SO
THEY CAN GET MORE ENGAGED IN THEIR KIDS’ EDUCATION AND WE CAN
HAVE BETTER OUTCOMES.
>>Nick: LET’S PICK UP ON A
QUESTION THAT LAURA KELLY JUST ASKED.
STATE GOVERNMENT RUNS A LOT OF
PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.
WHICH ONE IS SO GOOD THAT IT DESERVES MORE MONEY AND WHICH
ONE PERFORMS SO POORLY IT
DESERVES TO BE ELIMINATED?
THAT’S START WITH YOU, GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: I THINK WHAT WE’VE
SEEN FOR THE BROWNBACK YEARS IS
THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS OF STATE GOVERNMENT WHERE WE’VE
LOST RESOURCES, SO YOU COULD GO
AT DCF AS AN EXAMPLE AND SAY,
CLEARLY, WE NEED MORE SOCIAL WORKERS, WE SHOULDN’T BE TAKING
SO MANY KIDS OUT OF THE HOME.
WE SHOULD BE WORKING TO KEEP
FAMILIES TOGETHER. THROUGH THE PEAK PROGRAM, WE PAY
TO MOVE COMPANIES FROM ONE SIGH
OF STATE LINE ROAD TO THE OTHER.
THE HALL FAMILY FOUNDATION DID AN ANALYSIS AND SAID IT WAS
$301,000 WAS WHAT IT COST FOR
EVERY JOB CREATED RIGHT HERE IN
JOHNSON COUNTY. I TALK TO JERRY LOPEZ, THE CEO
OF AMC THEATERS AT THE TIME THEY
MOVED FROM KANSAS CITY,
MISSOURI, TO LEEWOOD. HE SAID, GREG, IT’S STUPID
PUBLIC POLICY, BUT I’D BE STUPID
NOT TO TAKE THE $45 MILLION.
>>Nick: YOU NEVER MENTIONED A PROGRAM OR SERVICE TO ELIMINATE.
>>Orman: AGAIN, IT WOULD BE THE
PEAK PROGRAM IN THE KANSAS CITY
AREA.>>Nick: THANK YOU.
KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: THE PROGRAM THAT IS
THE BEST IS OUR HIGHWAYS. WE’RE ACTUALLY NUMBER TWO IN THE
NATION IN THE QUALITY OF OUR
HIGHWAYS.
WE’VE BEEN ROBBING FROM THE HIGHWAY FUND YEAR AFTER YEAR
AFTER YEAR TO BALANCE THE BUDGET
AND FINANCE THE LEGISLATURE’S
BIG SPENDING HABITS, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO FINISH THE
TWORKS PROGRAM AND FINISH
BUILDING OUT THE ROADS.
THAT IS A PROGRAM DOING VERY WELL AND YOU SEE IT WHEN YOU
CROSS THE LINE INTO MISSOURI OR
NEBRASKA, YOU SEE THE ROADS GET
WORSE WHEN YOU CROSS THE STATE LINE.
THE SPENDING I WOULD ELIMINATE
IS GIVING IN-STATE TUITION
SUBSIDIES TO ILLEGAL ALIENS WHICH WE’VE BEEN DOING SINCE
2004 AND WHICH MS. KELLY VOTED
FOR IN THE LEGISLATURE OR VOTED
AGAINST REPEALING. THAT’S, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR,
BETWEEN 3 AND $4 MILLION WE’RE
SPENDING TO SUBSIDIZE THE
IF WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO BE SUBSIDIZING EDUCATION, LET’S NOT
HIKE TUITION AT KU OR K-STATE
THIS YEAR.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.>>Kelly: THANK YOU.
I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE
ACTUALLY DO WELL IN THE STATE OF
KANSAS AND WE CAN DO BETTER IS CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION.
WE REALLY DID SOME SERIOUS
REFORMS IN THAT OVER THE PAST
FEW YEARS AND I THINK WE’VE SEEN A GREAT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER
OF KIDS TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF
THAT.
WE HAD AT ONE TIME A VERY ROBUST EARLY CHILD HOOD EDUCATION
PROGRAM.
WE’VE CUT THAT BACK SOMEWHAT AND
WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THAT’S THE BEST
INVESTMENT THAT THE STATE CAN
MAKE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY CUT, I DON’T
KNOW.
I MIGHT COMBINE THE ARBOR AND
ECOLOGY PROGRAMS AND SAVE HALF A POSITION ON THAT, BUT THE FACT
OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE CUT SO
MUCH OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS,
THERE REALLY IS NO BE — NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.
IF ANYTHING, WHAT WE’RE SEEING,
EVEN WITH THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION, IS THE NEED TO PUT PEOPLE BACK IN PLACE TO
PROVIDE THE BASIC CORE SERVICES
THAT GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR.>>Nick: GREG ORMAN, WE HAVE 30
SECONDS TO REBUT GRI THINK THE
IDEA THAT WE HAVE —
>>Orman: I THINK THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO IS
PACED ON SPON WHO’S NEVER WORKED
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR BEFORE OR
HAD TO MANAGE LARGE BUDGETS. THE REALITY IS OUR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM, WE WASTE SO MUCH
MONEY ARRESTING, INCARCERATING
BIDS FOR BUYING DIME BAGS OF WEED.
THERE’S OPPORTUNITY TO CUT,
THERE’S OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE
ACROSS THE BOARD. AS IT RELATES TO IN-STATE
TUITION, 670 KIDS GOT IN-STATE
TUITION LAST YEAR.
THE IDEA THAT THAT SOMEHOW COST US MONEY, IT WOULD HAVE LEFT
EMPTY SEATS AND WE WOULDN’T HAVE
GOTTEN THE REVENUE.
AGAIN I –>>Nick: THANK YOU.
KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: EVERY
IN-STATE-TUITION PAYER GETS TWO-THIRDS OF THE RATE BY YOU
THE TAXPAYER.
KANSAS IS NUMBER THREE IN
AMERICA, NUMBER THREE IN THE NUMBER OF STATE AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA.
THERE IS A LOT OF FAT TO CUT ON
GOVERNMENT IN KANSAS, AND I DID THAT IN MY AGENCY BY SIMPLY
GRADUAL ATTRITION AS THE BABY
BOOMERS RETIRING, AND THEY’RE
RETIRING 11,000 A DAY NATIONALLY.
IF THEY’RE IN GOVERNMENT, SEE IF
WE CAN GET BY WITHOUT FILLING
THE POSITION.>>Nick: LAURA KELLY, 30
SECONDS.
>>Kelly: STATE GOVERNMENT HAS
SHRUNK CONSIDERABLY OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
WHEN KRIS TALKS ABOUT LOCAL
GOVERNMENT EXPANDING, HE IS
TALKING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WHETHER YOU’RE TALKING SCHOOL
DISTRICTS AND CITIES AND
TOWNSHIPS.
STATE GOVERNMENT ITSELF SHRUNK CONSIDERABLY TO THE POINT WHERE
WE CAN’T PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR
CITIZENS.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH TOUCHED ON IT IN HIS LAST ANSWER.
BEGINNING WITH YOU, LAURA KELLY,
WHAT ROLE IF ANY SHOULD THE
STATE OF KANSAS PLAY IN IMMIGRATION POLICY?
SHOULD CHILDREN BROUGHT HERE
ILLEGALLY, BUT WHO GRADUATE FROM
A KANSAS HIGH SCHOOL, BE ELIGIBLE FOR IN-STATE TUITION?
>>Kelly: I HAVE VOTED FOR THAT
AND I’LL DO IT AGAIN IF I NEED
TO. THOSE KIDS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN
THE STATE OF KANSAS, THE ONHOME
THEY KNOW.
THEY’VE BEEN ATTENDING HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY’RE ELIGIBLE FOR
ENTRANCE TO OUR REEGTS
UNIVERSITIES AND ALL WE’RE
GIVING THEM IS TOTAL RACK RATE. THEY’RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS
OR SCHOLARSHIPS AND THEY PAY
FULL TUITION.
WHEN KRIS SAYS WE CAN SAVE $3 MILLION BY CHARGING HIM OUT
OF STATE TUITION, THAT’S NOT
TRUE.
THOSE KIDS WOULD BE DROPPING OUT OF COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T
AFFORD IT.
WE WOULD BE LOSING TUITION
REVENUE.>>Orman: I THINK AGAIN THIS
IDEA OF IMMIGRATION REFORM
CLEARLY AS FEDERAL ISSUE.
WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR THE U.S. SENATE, I SAID WE NEED AN
IMMIGRATION PLAN THAT’S TOUGH,
PRACTICAL AND FAIR.
BY TOUGH, I MEAN WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDERS.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED SECURER
BORDERS.
BUY PRACTICAL, WE’RE NOT GOING TO FIND AND DEPORT 11 MILLION
PEOPLE, NOR WOULD IT BE
ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
KANSAS WOULD BE DECIMATED. HOW DO WE MAKE IT FAIR TO
TAXPAYERS?
IF YOU ARE HERE ON AN
UNDOCUMENTED BASIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE TO REGISTER WITH ICE BY A
DATE CERTAIN AND PAY A SMALL
FINE OR COMMUNITY SERVICE AS AN
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT YOU BROKE THE LAW, BUT THEN IF YOU HOLD DOWN A
JOB, PAY YOUR TAXES AND OBEY OUR
LAWS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAY.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.>>Kobach: 30 SECONDS, RIGHT?
THERE’S SO MUCH THE STATE CAN
DO.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE A PRINCIPAL ROLE, BUT
STATES CAN DO LOTS OF THINGS TO
DISCOURAGE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
GIVING THEM IN-STATE TUITION IS SOMETHING WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING.
WE NEED TO STOP SPENDING
TAXPAYER MONEY IN GIVING WELFARE
AND OTHER PUBLIC BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.
WE ALSO HAVE THREE SANCTUARY
COUNTIES.
JOHNSON COUNTY USED TO BE ONE, BUT I PROPOSED ON BILL OR DRAFT
ADD BILL THAT MADE IT THROUGH
COMMITTEE AND NEVER GOT TO A
FINAL VOTE TO END SANCTUARY COUNTIES IN KANSAS.
YOU DO IT EASLEY.
YOU TAKE AWAY STATE FUNDS.
WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE E-VERIFY FOR ALL STATE CONTRACT
RECIPIENTS.
YOU WANT TO WORK AND USE KANSAS
TAXPAYER MONEY TO HAVE THAT JOB, YOU BETTER USE E-VERIFY SO ALL
OF YOUR WORKERS ARE U.S.
CITIZENS OR ARE HERE LEGALLY.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO REBUT.
>>Kelly: I THINK WE ALLED IN
THAT WE 3D TO HAVE — ALL
UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO HAVE SECURE BORDERS AND MORE
IMPORTANTLY, WE NEED TO HAVE
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
AND THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE NEED TO BE PRESSURING OUR
CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION TO GET
THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND GET US THE IMMIGRATION REFORM WE NEED.
OUR AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY
DEPENDS ON IT AND OUR
MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY DEPENDS ON IT.
IT’S SOMETHING THAT MUST BE GET
DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.>>Orman: THIS IS YET ANOTHER
AREA WHERE BOTH PARTIES HAVE
FAILED US.
IF YOU LOOK AT COMPREHENSIVE MUGGY REFORM IN WASHINGTON,
D.C., — IMMIGRATION REFORM IN
WASHINGTON, D…, IT FAILED IN
2007 BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WANTED IT TO FAIL.
READ THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD,
TED KENNEDY FORGED A COMPROMISE
WITH JOHN McCAIN AND IT WAS BYRON DOREGANN AND TWO DEMOCRATS
WHO TORPEDOED WITH A POISON PILL
AMENDMENT.
BOTH PARTIES ARE TO BLAME FOR THIS AND BOTH PARTIES ARE THE
REASON KANSAS ECONOMY IS THREAT
TOPPED BY THE LOSS OF SO MANY
WORKERS.>>Kobach: GREG CRITICIZING BOTH
PARTY, BUT I ADOPT THE POLICY
POSITION OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY. HE’S OFFERING THE SOME PRO-AM
NEST STI POSITION THAT MS. KELLY
IS OFFERING AS WELL.
AMNESTY IS NOT SOMETHING THE STATE CAN GRANT, BUT THAT
APPROACH WHERE YOU SAY WE’VE GOT
ILLEGAL ALIENS, WE’RE GIVING UP
AND WE’RE GOINGGTO ACCEPT THAT. WE DON’T HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT.
I’VE ADVISED THE PRESIDENT MANY
TIMES THIS ISSUE.
STATE DISCOURAGE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
MISSOURI IS DOING IT
SUCCESSFULLY, KANSAS NEEDS TO
CHANGE.>>Nick: ACCORDING TO THE KANSAS
BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, THE
NUMBER OF MURDERS IN KANSAS LAST
YEAR WAS THE HIGHEST SINCE THE KBI BEGAN TRACKING STATISTICS
BACK IN 1959.
WHAT’S THE SINGLE MOST POOR
ACTION THE STATE OF KANSAS CAN TAKE — IMPORTANT ACTION THE
STATE OF KANSAS CAN TAKE TO
REDUCE HOMICIDES?
>>Kobach: I’M SURE THERE’S SOME CRIMINAL ATTORNEYS OUT HERE WHO
MIGHT HAVE A THOUGHT OR TWO ON
THAT.
THERE’S FOR SILVER BULLET OR STATUTE THE STATE CAN PASS TO
REDUCE HOMICIDES.
WE HAVE TO SUPPORT LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND THAT IS ONE AREA WHERE I THINK THE ATTRITION OF
NUMBERS IN EMPLOYEES SHOULD NOT
OCCUR BECAUSE YOU HAVE CERTAIN
RATIOS THAT A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HIGHWAY PATROL HAVE TO HAVE
PER POPULATION THE NUMBER OF
OFFICERS.
I DON’T FAVOR A POLICY OF RATCHETING DOWN ALL OF OUR
SENTENCES SO WE CAN OPEN UP BEDS
IN OUR PRISONS.
WE HAVE TO BE A LAW AND ORDER COMMIT THE CRIME, YOU WILL DO
THE TIME.
AND IT HAS A DETERRENT EFFECT
AND JUST TO SWITCH TO AN ANALOGOUS ISSUE WHERE I’VE
PERSONALLY INVOLVED, WE’VE BEEN
PROSECUTING VOTER FRAUD IN
KANSAS AND IT HAS HAD A DETERRENT EFFECT.
THE WORD GOT OUT IF YOU COMMIT
THE CRIME OF DOUBLE VOTE WILL,
WE WILL CATCH YOU AND YOU’LL PROBABLY FACE A 3- TO $5,000
FINE.
THE AMOUNT OF CASES HAVE
DECREASED. HOMICIDE IS AT THE TOP OF THE
LIST AND THROUGH PUNISHMENT, YOU
HAVE DETERRENT.
>>Orman: I DEGREE THERE’S NO SILVER BULLET HERE, BUT THERE’S
ALSO NO QUESTION WE NEED
TOP-TO-BOTTOM CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM. THE REALITY IS WE’RE SPENDING
MORE MONEY NOW BUILDING ANOTHER
PRISON.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR PRISONS WHO ARE THERE FOR
OFFENSES THAT I THINK DON’T RISE
TO THE LEVEL OF PUTTING PEOPLE
IN PRISONS, TAKING THEM AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES, CREATING
MORE DEPENDENCY ON PUBLIC
PROGRAMS AND PUBLIC WELFARE
PROGRAMS, AND ULTIMATELY PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY
CAN ALMOST NO LONGER BE
CONSTRUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY
AGAIN. SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE NEED
TOP-TO-BOTTOM CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM.
YOU KNOW, JUST USING MY TIME TO GET BACK TO THE ISSUE OF
IMMIGRATION REFORM, I ALMOST
THINK THE IDEA, KRIS, THAT YOU
THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF ALL IMMIGRANTS IN KANSAS, ALL
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN KANSAS,
JUST DISQUALIFIES YOU TO BE
GOVERNOR. IT’S CLEARLY A RED MEAT ISSUE
FOR YOUR BASE, BUT ULTIMATE IT
JUST DEMONSTRATES YOU DON’T
UNDERSTAND HOW THE AG ECONOMY WORKS.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: I THINK THERE ARE A
VARIETY OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO LOOK AT THAT.
FIRST WOULD BE TO SUPPORT OUR
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FOLKS,
GIVE THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO FIGHT CRIME.
I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A
GUN-SENSE POLICY LACK IN THE STATEOF KANSAS AND WE NEED TO
ADDRESS THAT GOING FORWARD.
I ALSO THINK WE HAVE DECIMATED
OUR MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM SO GREATLY OVER THE PAST YEARS THAT
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF HELP,
WHO ARE STRESSED A DANGER TO
THEMSELVES, A DANGER TO OTHERS, ARE NOT GETTING SERVICES THEY
NEED AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIX
THAT.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO REBUT.
>>Kobach: I THINK GREG’S
STATEMENT THAT YOU ARE
DISQUALIFIED FOR GOVERNOR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE ILLEGAL
POPULATION LEAVE THE STATE AND
OPEN UP JOBS FOR KANSANS, IF HE
THINKS THAT DISQUALIFIES ME, HE’S 180 DEGREES WRONG.
I’D BE THE FIRST GOVERNOR TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
THERE ARE MANY JOBS WHERE AMERICANS ARE MAKING LESS MONEY
AND THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS
WHY THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION
ENDORSED ME. WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE
AMERICAN WORKER.
>>Orman: IF YOU LOOK AT THE
KANSAS WORKS WEBSITE, THEY’LL SAY WE HAVE 50,000 JOB OPENINGS
AND 50,000 UNEMPLOYED KANSANS.
I’M NOT SURE WHERE ALL THE JOBS
ARE COMING FROM, BUT I WANT TO GET BACK TO SOMETHING SENATOR
KELLY SAID ABOUTTNEEDING A
GUN-SENSE POLICY.
SHE SAID THAT AT ANOTHER EVENT THE OTHER DAY AND IT RUB ME THE
WRONG WAY.
SHE TALKED ABOUT GETTING GUNS
OFF COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND WE ONLY HAVE THEM BECAUSE SHE
COSPONSORED THE CARRY AMENDMENT
TO GET GUNS THERE.
>>Kelly: TWO YEARS AGO, I VETOED TO TAKE GUNS OFF — I
VOTED TO TAKE GUNS OFF CAMPUS.
LAST YEAR I VOTED TO TAKE GUNS
AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VIOLATIONS,
AND THEN I ALSO VOTED TO
ELIMINATE GUNS IN OUR PUBLIC
HOSPITALS LIKE KU AND MENTTL HEALTH CENTERS.
YOU CAN MAKE A VOTE AND THEN
REALIZE IT’S GONE TOO FAR AND
MAKE SOME CHANGES AND I’M DOING THAT.
MOMS DEMAND ACTION HAVE
RECOGNIZED ME AS A GUN-SENSE
CANDIDATE.>>Nick: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE LEARNED THIS WEEK THAT
SHOPPERS ARE SPENDING MORE
FREELY. BUSINESS CONFIDENCE IS SOARING,
UNEMPLOYMENT IS NEAR AN 18-YEAR
LOW AND THE STOCK MARKET GOING
THROUGH THE ROOF. BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE
STRUGGLING TO MEET THEIR BASIC
NEEDS?
HOW WOULD YOUR GOVERNORSHIP HELL THEM, GREG ORMAN?
>>Orman: WELL, WE HAVE A DETAIL
ECONOMIC DEVVLOPMENT PLAN THAT
AMONG OTHER THINGS FOCUSES ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
99% OF ALL THE NEW JOBS CREATED
POST RECESSION REQUIRE SOME
LEVEL OF POST SECONDARY EDUCATION, AND SO WE’VE PROPOSED
THINGS LIKE A REVOLING LOAN
FUND SO KIDS CAN GET CERTIFICATE
PROGRAMS IN THINGS LIKE WEDDING. WE’VE PROPOSED THINGS LIKE —
WELDING.
WE’VE PROPOSED THINGS LIKE A NEW
FINANCING MECHANISM TO WE CAN BUILD PROCESSING CAPACITY FOR
AGRICULTURAL.
WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF PLANS
FOCUSED ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, HELPING PEOPLE GET
BETTER JOBS AND LIFT UP THEIR
LIFE.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.>>Kelly: I THINK THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO
TO LIFT UP FOLKS AND GET THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GOOD-PAYING JOBS.
I WANT TO START, THOUGH, BACK,
SO MANY TIMES WE ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF THE MOMENT RATHER THAN LOOKING AT HOW DO WE REALLY
SOLVE THE PROBLEM, AND THAT’S
WHY WHEN I’M GOVERNOR, I WILL
FOCUS VERY HEAVILY ON EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND
PROGRAMS.
YOU KNOW, I’M GOIIG TO WORK WITH
OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND FORM PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS ALL
ACROSS THE STATE SO THAT WE’RE
GETTING TO OUR KIDS AT A VERY
EARLY AGE AND THEIR FAMILIES SO THAT BY THE TIME THEY GET INTO
THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THEY’RE NOT
NEEDING OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION
PROGRAMS. BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE
TEENAGE YEARS, THEY’RE NOT GOING
GO OUR JUVENILE SYSTEM, AND BY
THE TIME THEY’RE — YOU KNOW, LATE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS AND GOING
INTO COLLEGE, THEY ARE WORK
READY AND ABLE TO BE PRODUCTIVE
CITIZENS.>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: I WANT TO FOCUS ON
ONE SPECIFIC GROUP, THE ELDERLY.
THEY’RE MANY, TENS OF THOUSANDS, MAYBEEHUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
KANSANS WHO RETIRED AND SAID,
OKAY, I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN MY
HOME THE REST OF MY LIFE. THIS IS THE BUDGET I HAVE, MY
SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER
SAVINGS.
NOW THEY’RE FINDING THEY’RE BEING TAXED OUT OF THEIR OWN
HOMES AND MANY OF THEM ARE IN
NORTHERN JOHNSON COUNTY BECAUSE
APPRAISALS HAVE BEEN KILLING PEOPLE WHO ARE — FIGURATIVELY
KILLING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A
POSITION WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE
ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOOE. THEY CAN’T INCREASE THEIR INCOME
BY X-PERCENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE
APPRAISAL INCREASE.
BIG BOX RETAIL BETWEEN 2016 AND 2017 INCREASED AN AVERAGE OF 80,
NOT 18, 80% APPRAISED VALUE IN
ONE YEAR.
I DEFY ANYONE TO GIVE ME AN EXPLANATION ECONOMICALLY THAT
CAN JUSTIFY THAT INCREASE.
THESE APPRAISALS ARE SELF TAX
HIKES. THO ONE HAS TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COUNTY
COMMISSION.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A 2% CAP, WHICH I HAVE PROPOSED, SO THAT NO
ONE’S APPRAISAL GOES UP MORE
THAN 2% IN A YEAR.
>>Orman: MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN AMERICA HASN’T RISEN
SINCE 1999.
THINK THAT B THAT FOR A SECOND.
THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HOUSEHOLD HASN’T SEEN A PAY INCREASE.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE SPEND SO
MUCH MORE MONEY ON HEALTHCARE,
HIGHER EDUCATION, CHILDCARE, HAVE ALL SKYROCKETED, SO FOR THE
AVERAGE AMERICAN AND KANSAN, IT
DOESN’T FEEL LIKE YOU’RE
TREADING WATER, IT FEELS LIKE YOU’RE DROWNING AND WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON LIFTING THEM UP THROUGH
EDUCATION, PRIMARILY TECHNICAL
AND PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION.>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: THE REASON OUR
PROPERTY TAX, OUR INCOME TAXES
ARE TOO HIGH RIGHT NOW AS DIRECT RESULT OF THE BROWNBACK TAX
EXPERIMENT OF 2012 AND 2013.
WE HAVE REVERSED THAT.
WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL PROBABLY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR TO
UNDERSTAND THE FULL IMPLICATIONS
OF WHAT WE DID.
WE ALSO NEED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE FEDERAL
TAX CUTS ARE, BUT WHEN WE FIGURE
THAT ALL OUT, THOSE ARE THE
AREAS WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE INDEED, OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE
WAY TOO HIGH AND OUR SALES TAX
IS SO HIGH, IT’S IMMORAL.
>>Nick: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. KOBACH.
>>Kobach: THE REASON OUR TAXES
ARE TOO HIGH IS BECAUSE THE
LEGISLATURE VOTED TO RAISE THE TAXES.
MS. KELLY DID SO IN 2009 AND
2017 ON INCOME TAXES AND 2010
AND 2015 ON SALES TAXES. THE LEGISLATURE BEARS
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS.
YOU CAN’T JUST SAY THEY MADE ME
DO IT. NO, THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
GOVERNOR HAVE TO STEP UP AND
STOP SPENDING SO MUCH.
THE THING THAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO, ON THE LEFT, PEOPLE TALK,
OH, THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE A
PROGRAM TO CREATE JOBS
MAGICALLY. WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN ACTUALLY
DO IS STOP TAKING ONEY OUT OF
YOUR POCKET.
THAT’S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TOMORROW.
>>Nick: IF MONEY IS AN ISSUE IN
PAYING FOR SERVICES IN TOPEKA,
TWO MEASURES HAVE BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD BRING HEFTY AMOUNTS
OF CASH INTO THE STATE’S
COFFERS.
ONE IS TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA AND THE SECOND IS TO AUTHORIZE
SPORTS BETTING.
.
NOW THAT A RECENT FEDERAL COURT RULING PAVES THE WHAT I TO
STATES TO LEGALIZE — THE WAY TO
STATES TO LEGALIZE GAMBLING ON
COLLEGE AND PROFESSIONAL GAMES, WOULD YOU SUPPORT EITHER MEASURE
OR DO YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA?
>>Kelly: I WOULD SUPPORT
LEGALIZATION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
I THINK IT’S PAST TIME FOR US TO
DO THAT.
I DON’T THINK KANSAS AND IN PARTICULAR THE LEGISLATURE IS
READY TO GO FULL BORE ON
RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AND I
ALSO THINK PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT IS NOT GOING TO
BE OUR BUDGET PANACEA.
THE MORE STATES LEGALIZE
MARIJUANA, WE’LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN REVENUES
PROVIDED TO THE STATE.
I DON’T WANT ANYBODY TO GET THE
IDEA THAT THAT’S HOW WE’RE GOING TO FUN OUR SCHOOLS.
IT WON’T HAPPEN.
SPORTS BETTING I’M FINE WITH.
IT WILL BRING IN SOME REVENUE, BBT AGAIN, IT’S NOT THE KIND OF
THING THAT’S GOING TO BE ABLE TO
SUBSTITUTE FOR SOUND TAX
STRUCTURE.>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: NO ON MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, YES ON SPORTS
BETTING. EVERY STATE THAT TRIED MEDICAL
MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION HAS FOUND
IT BECOMES A RIDICULOUSLY OPEN
GATEWAY FOR PEOPLE TO USE IT TO RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
SURE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT FOR
MEDICAL PURPOSES ALSO GET IT,
BUT THE PROCESS FOR A DRO’S NOTE IS LAUGHABLE.
NO, I DON’T FAVOR MEDICAL
MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION.
I DO FAVOR DOING THINGS TO FAST TRACK ACCESS TO THE CBD, THE
BENEFICIAL COMPONENT OF
MARIJUANA THAT ACTUALLY DOES
PROVIDE PAIN RELIEF AND THE FDA IS ON THE VERGE OF APPROVING
THAT IN PILL FORM.
THERE ARE ALREADY OIL VERSIONS
ITSELF. WE AS A STATE AND GOVERNMENT CAN
CERTAINLY TRY TO FACILITATE
ACCESS TO THE MEDICALLY
BENEFICIAL COMPONENT OF MARIJUANA, BUT THE NOTION THAT
WE’LL SAY IT’S OKAY FOR MEDICAL
PURPOSES AND EVERYTHING IS
SOLVED, SIMPLY NOT REALISTIC. SPORTS BETTING, WE’LL SEE HOW
MUCH REVENUE IT GENERATES.
I AGREE WITH SENATOR KELLY, IT
MAY NOT GENERATE THAT MUCH, BUT IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK
THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD PROHIBIT.
>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: OBVIOUSLY ANY DOCTOR WHO IS ABLE TO PRESCRIBE A
SCHEDULE II NARCOTIC SHOULD BE
ABLE TO PRESCRIBE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA. I THINK WE”E SEEN THINGS LIKE
OPIOIDS BE FAR MORE ADDICTIVE
AND DAMAGING TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
I TRAVELED TO COLORADO RECENTLY AND SAW A YOUNG MAN WHO HAD TO
FLEE WITH HIS MOTHER FROM KANSAS
AND ULTIMATELY GOT TREATMENT IN
COLORADO, PREVENTED HIM FROM HAVING 200 SEIZURES A DAY AND
NOW HE’S BEEN SEIZURE-FREE FOR
21 WEEKS.
SO I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT. IN TERMS OF RECREATIONAL USE, I
DON’T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE
ARRESTING, BOOKING, TRYING AND
INCARCERATING A TEENAGER TO BUYING A DIME BAG OF WEED, BUT
BY THE SAME TOKEN, I WOULD TREAT
IT AS A CITABLE OFFENSE THE SAME
WAY WE DEAL WITH A SPEEDING TICKET.
YOU’RE TAUGHT WITH RECREATIONAL
QUANTITIES, YOU GET A TICKET.
SPORTS BETTING, YES. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BET ON
SPORTS ANYWAY, GIVEN WHAT THE
COURTS HAVE RULED.
WE MIGHT AS WELL GET SOME OF THE BENEFIT OF IT.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY, 30 SECONDS
TO REBUT.
>>Kelly: YEAH, WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT LEGALIZING MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, WE’RE NOT TALKING
ABOUT THE APPROACH TAKEN IN
COLORADO. THIS WAS WOULD BE A MUCH MORE
REGULATED APPROACH WHERE DOCTORS
WOULD BE DOING THE PRESCRIBING,
BUT I THINK WE KNOW FROM OUR HOSPICE WORK AND FROM OPIOID
ABUSE, THAT THERE IS A REAL USE
FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND ONE
THAT WILL ACTUALLY DECREASE COST AND DECREASE ADDICTION.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.
>>Kobach: BUT OF COURSE THE
BENEFICIAL COMPONENT OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE
IN PILL FORM AND IS ALREADY
AVAILABLE IN OIL FORM.
THERE’S NO GOOD REASON THAT WE SEND A MESSAGE AND AS THE FATHER
OF FIVE YOUNG DAUGHTERS, YOU ARE
SENDING A MESSAGE WHEN SUDDENLY
THE THING THAT WAS ILLEGAL NOW BECOMES LEGAL, EVEN FOR
SPECIFIED PURPOSES.
OH, IT’S RAELT REALLY NOT THAT
BAD, IT’S OKAY, GO AHEAD. I DON’T WANT TO SEND THAT
MESSAGE.
>>Nick: FINAL WORD TO YOU,
MR. ORMAN FROM I THINK THE IDEA THAT IT’S ONLY CDB IS MEDICALLY
WRONG.
THE YOUNG MAN IN CALIFORNIA
GETTING TREATMENT TODAY IS GETTING A COMBINATION OF CBD AND
THC.
THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN ISSUE.
WE SHOULDN’T HAVE PEOPLE AT THEIR MOST VULNERABLE FEELING
LIKE CRIMINALS.
WE SHOULDN’T HAVE PEOPLE TRYING
TO TREAT THE EFFECTS OF CHEMOTHERAPY FEELING LIKE
THEY’RE BREAKING THE LAW JUST
BECAUSE THEY WANT A LITTLE
>>Kobach: SUPPORT THE MOST WOULD BE THE TRUMP TAX CUTS.
OPPOSE, HMM.
THAT’S A TOUGH ONE.
I SUPPOSE I’D SAY I OPPOSE THE DELAY IN REVERSING THE DACA
AMNESTY THAT THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION DID
UUCONSTITUTIONALLY THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
PRESIDENT TRUMP EVENTUALLY GOT
THERE, I JUST WOULD HAVE GOTTEN
THERE FASTER. SORRY I COULDN’T GIVE YOU A MORE
VIGOROUS OPPOSITION.
LOOK, THE TRUMP TAX CUT, LET’S
TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT
THE NATIONAL ECONOMY MOVING.
KANSAS, HOWEVER, IN 2017, WAS
ONE OF THREE STATES THAT HAD NEGATIVE ECONOMIC GROWTH.
THE OTHER TWO WERE LOUISIANA AND
CONNECTICUT.
SO WE HAVE NEGATIVE GROWTH BECAUSE OF OUR HIGH TAXES.
MEANWHILE, THE REST OF THE
NATION IS BOOMING.
CUTTING TAXES DOES HAVE A STIMULAIVE EFFECT ON THE
ECONOMY.
THEN THE LEGISLATURE FAILED BY
ABOUT FIVV VOTES TO PASS ON THE TRUMP TAX WINDFALL THAT WAS
CREATED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
IF WE HAD MIRRORED THE FEDERAL
CHANGES, WE COULD HAVE GIVEN $137 MILLION TOTAL TO THE
TAXPAYERS IN GOVERNOR.
THAT’S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
I’LL ASK FOR AS GOVERNOR.>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: I THINK THE THING I
MOST ABHOR ABOUT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS THE DIVISIVENESS, THE INCIVILITY,
THE XENOPHOBE YEAH, THE MISOGYNY
THAT COMES OUT OF THAT
ADMINISTRATION ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I THINK IT’S TEARING OUR COUNTRY
APART AND I THINK WE NEED A
UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER. THAT’S WHAT I LIKE THE LEAST
ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
IN TERMS OF I’VE BEEN RACKING MY
BRAIN TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO I LIKE THE BEST.
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND I SUPPOSE MAYBE PUTTING GOLF
BACK UP AT THE HIGH LEVEL OF — GIVING IT A LOT OF ATTENTION
THAT THE SPORT DESPERATELY
NEEDED.
[ LAUGHTER ]>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.
>>Orman: ACTUALLY, I THINK IT’S
TIGER WOODS’ COMMENTBACK THAT’S
DONE THAT. I APPRECIATE HIS SUPPORT FOR
TECHNICAL PROGRAMS AND IF YOU
LOOK — ONLY ONE COUNTRY VALUES
TECHNICAL EDUCATION AND IT’S GERMANY.
THEY HAVE ALMOST A $70 BILLION
TRADE SURPLUS WITH THE UNITED
STATES. WE NEED TO DO MORE TO ALLOW KIDS
TO HAVE PATHWAYS INTO THOSE
TECHNICAL PROGRAMS.
I CALL IT PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION BECAUSE IF I THINK IF YOU’RE A
PLUMBER, A WELDER, YOU’RE A
PROFESSIONAL IN MY MIND.
AS A KANSAN, I’M CONCERNED ABOUT HIS APPROACH ON TARIFFS.
I UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY, BUT I
THINK IT’S A VERY RISKY APPROACH
AND IF WE END UP IN A REAL TRADE WAR WITT SOMEONE LIKE CHINA, IT
MIGHT PREVENT THE SUPPLY CHAINS
THAT WE’VE BUILT FROM BEING USED
AND ULTIMATELY LEAD TO A DEVASTATION, AGAIN, FOR OUR AG
ECONOMY AND THAT CONCERNS ME.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH, YOU HAVE
30 SECONDS TO REBUT.>>Kobach: I WANT TO CONTINUE
ALONG THE LINE OF PASSING ALONG
THE WINDFALL OF THE TAX CUT.
IT WOULD BE $137 MILLION AND SENATOR KELLY CAN CORRECT ME IF
I’M WRONG, BUT I THINK SHE VOTE
AGAINST RETURNING THAT WINDFALL
TO HE PEOPLE OF KANSAS. THE STATE BUDGET SUDDEN I DID
GOT THIS 137 MILLION THAT IT
SHOULD HAVE PASSED ALONG TO THE
PEOPLE OF KANSAS IF OUR CODE MIRRORED THE CHANGE IN THE
FEDERAL CODE, BUT INSTEAD, SHE
AND OTHER LEGISLATORS, PLEASE
CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, KEPT THE WINDFALL INSTEAD OF
RETURNING IT TO YOU.
THAT’S WHAT’S WRONG WITH TOPEKA.
>>Nick: YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW, MS. KELLY.
>>Kelly: THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, I RAILED AGAINST THE
BROWNBACK TAX EXPERIMENT OF 2012 AND ’13, SO I WAS NOT GOING TO
DO THE SAME THING IN 2017 AND
CUT TAXES WHEN OUR STATE WAS IN
SUCH A WORLD OF HURT.>>Nick: GREG ORMAN.
>>rman: AND LOOK, WE’VE GOT SO
MANY PROBLEMS WE NEED TO DEAL
WITH. WE’VE GOT AN $8 BILLION PENSION
DEFICIT, ALL SORTS OF ISSUES WE
HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THE STATE
OF KANSAS AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY PRUDENT ABOUT IT,
THERE’S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
>>Nick: THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
REPORTS THAT KANSAS LAWMAKERS ARE NOW VOWING TO TAKE A FRESH
LOOK AT THE STATE’S ELECTION
LAWS AFTER THE RECENT PRIMARY
BROUGHT WITH IT LONG LINES IN SOME PLACES, EVEN LONGER DELAYS
IN GETTING THE RESULTS, AND
DIFFERENT WAYS OF HANDLING
BALLOTS DENYING ON WHERE YOU LIVE.
DO — DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU
LIVE.
DO YOU SUPPORT, MR. ORMAN, ANY CHANGE TO KANSAS ELECTION LAW?
>>Orman: WELL, LOOK, I’VE TALK
ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH.
I THINK ALL THE ELECTION LAWS WE HAVE ARE BUILT TO SUPPORT THE
DEMOCRATIC AND THE REPUBLICAN
PARTIES.
AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A DETAILED PROCESS TO
GET OVER 10,000 SIGNATURES TO
GET ON THE BALLOT.
YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICCNS ACTUALLY, JUST GET
TO FILL OUT A FORM AND PAY A
FEE.
I’D LIKE TO SEE A PRIMARY FOR INDEPENDENTS.
I’D LIKE TO SEE RANK CHOICE
VOTING SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND
ALLOW PEOPLE TO RANK THEIR PREFERENCES.
I THINK IT WOULD ULTIMATELY LEAD
TO MORE CIVIL DISCOURSE AS
PEOPLE SOUGHT SECOND PLACE VOTES AND I THINK IT WOULD TAKE AWAY
THIS PROCESS WHERE WE FEEL LIKE
WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE LESSER
OF TWO EVILS. SO MANY INDEPENDENTS THAT I
TALKED TO WHEN THEY GO TO VOTE,
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY’RE BEING
FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE SHINGLES AND THE FLUE.
I THINK WE NEED A SYSTEM THAT
GIVES THEM POSITIVE CHOICES.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.>>Kobach: NO, I’VE WORKED FOR
THE PAST EIGHT YEARS TO BRING US
THE STRONGEST ELECTION SECURITY
MEASURES IN THE COUNTRY AND IF YOU ASK ANY SECRETARY OF STATE,
THEY WOULD SAY, YEAH, KANSAS HAS
THE STRONGEST ELECTION SECURITY
IT’S GOOD TO BE NUMBER ONE AND I KNOW WE’RE NOW A MODEL FOR OTHER
STATES.
ALABAMA HAS ADOPTED OUR PROOF OF
CITIZENSHIP LAW WORD FOR WORD. PENNSYLVANIA HAS ADOPTED
PORTIONS OF OUR PROTECTION FOR
ABSENTEE BALLOTS.
OTHER STATES ARE LOOKING AT OUR PROSECUTORIAL AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE ACHIEVED SOMETHING GREAT
IN KANSAS, SO I IMAGINE MY
COLLEAGUE ON THE STAGE HERE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULD
DISAGREE.
PROBLEM — LOOK, THERE WAS A
REAL PROBLEM WITH NONCITIZENS GETTING ON THE BALLOT — GETTING
ON THE REGISTRATION ROLES IN
KANSAS.
WE HAD 127 THAT WE FOUND. YOU CAN’T JUST LOOK AT THE ROLES
AND SAY THAT’S A NONCITIZEN.
THEY WERE FOUND BECAUSE THEY DID
SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE DECLINING JURY DUTY AND SAYING I’M NOT A
U.S. CITIZEN.
THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS IN THE
THOUSANDS. ONE EXPERT IN THE CASE WE HAD
ESTIMATED IT COULD BE OVER
30,000.
WE HAVE SOLVED THESE PROBLEMS. KANSAS SHOULD BE PROUD OF WHAT
II HAS ACCOMPLISHED.
>>Nick: LAURA KELLY.
>>Kelly: I THINK ACTUALLY, THERE’S BEEN A NATIONAL GROUP
THAT’S LOOKED AT KANSAS AND
FOUND US TO BE ABOUT 48th IN
ELECTION SECURITY, NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP.
VERY CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM IN
TERMS OF OUR ACTUAL SECURITY.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME MEASURES THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT WOULD MAKE
VOTING MORE ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS
AND ENGAGE OUR CITIZENS, AND ONE
THING I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE LOOK AT HAVING SAME-DAY
REGISTRATION, THAT ON VOTING
DAY, YOU CAN GO IN AND YOU CAN
REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN, YOU CAN REGISTER AS A DEMOCRAT, YOU
CAN REGISTER AS AN INDEPENDENT
AND VOTE THAT DAY.
THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE PLACED ON IT HAVE MADE IT VERY,
VERY DIFFICULT AND
DISENFRANCHISED ALL THE WRONG
PEOPLE. REALLY, OUR SENIOR CITIZENS,
MANY OF THEM IN NURSING HOMES,
OUR DISABLED FOLKS, OUR
VETERANS, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE RIGHT AND SHOULD BE
ENCOURAGED TO VOTE AND WE NEED
TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO
HAPPEN.>>Nick: GREG ORMAN, 30 SECONDS
TO REBUT.
>>Orman: SENATOR KELLY, I’M A
LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU VOTED FOR THE VOTER ID BILL, SO
I’M CONFUSED BY YOU’RE ATTACKING
IT RIGHT NOW.
WE’VE GOT REAL PROBLEMS TO SOLVE.
WE DON’T NEED TO SPEND OUR TIME
SOLVING PROBLEMS THAT ARE
FICTIONAL, MADE UP AND NONEXISTENT.
YES, WE NEED SECURE ELECTIONS,
BUT THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE 30,000
PEOPLE VOTING ILLEGALLY IN KANSAS AND WE’VE ONLY PROSECUTED
TEN CASES LEADS ME TO BELIEVE
THAT THIS IS MORE OF A RED MEAT
ISSUE AND FAR LESS OF THE REAL PROBLEM.
AND KANSAS HAS REAL PROBLEMS WE
NEED TO FOCUS ON.
>>Nick: KRIS KOBACH.>>Kobach: I’D LIKE TO CORRECT
ONE ERROR AND REBUT ONE POINT.
MS. KELLY SAID THE SOUTH SIDE
GROUP FOUND US 48th IN SECURITY. NO, THEY FOUND US 48th IN
ADMINISTRATION AND THEY SAID
BECAUSE ANSAS HAS SO MANY
PROVINCIAL PROVISIONAL BALLOTS?
BECAUSE OUR STATUTES SAY IF YOU
ROLL UP TO THE ELECTION POLLING
PLACE, NOOMATTER WHAT YOUR SITUATION, WE HAND YOU A
PROVISIONAL BALLOT.
AS FAR AS SAME DAY REGISTRATION,
IT’S BEEN A DISASTER IN STATES LIKE NEW HAMPSHIRE —
>>Nick: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE FINAL WORD GOOS TO YOU,
LAURA KELLY.>>Kelly: I’D LIKE TO ADDRESS
GREG’S ISSUE OF MY VOTE.
YOU WEREN’T THERE.
IF YOU HAD BEEN, YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS A
COMPROMISED THAT WAS FORGED
BECAUSE WHAT SECRETARY KOBACH
WANTED AT THAT POINT WAS TO PUT THIS LAW ENFORCED WITH NO
RESTRAINT IN 2012..3 C1
WE GOT IT DELAYED TO 2014 WITH
THE HOPE THAT THE REAL ID PROGRAM WOULD BE IN PLACE AND IT
WOULD NOT BE A BURDEN TO OUR
CITIZENS.
>>Nick: A NEW REPORT CLAIMS COLLEGE GRADUATES ARE NOW
MAJORING IN STUDENT LOAN DEBT.
STUDENTS WHO GRADUATED COLLEGE
LAST YEAR OWED A WHOPPING AVERAGE OF $39,000 A YEAR.
WHAT ROLE IF ANY, LAURA KELLY,
SHOULD THE STATE OF KANSAS PLAY
IN MAKING COLLEGE MORE AFFORDABLE?
>>Kelly: WELL, WE KNOW THAT
THERE’S A DIRECT CORRELATION
BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF STATE SUPPORT GIVEN TO OUR HIGHER
EDUCATION SYSTEM AND THE PRICE
OF TUITION.
SO WE NEED, AS A STATE, TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION TO OUR
HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS
AND FUND THEM IN A WAY THAT
DOESN’T FORCE THEM TO RELY SO HEAVILY ON TUITION.
I THINK THE OTHER THING WE NEED
TO LOOK AT IS PROVIDING PATHS
FOR STUDENT TO GET THROUGH SCHOOL IN THREE YEARS.
WE’VE ALREADY STARTED SOME OF
THAT WITH OUR CAREER AND TECH ED
BY GETTING DOWN TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND ALLOWWNG KIDS TO GET
COLLEGE CREDITS EARLY.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO A
REGENTS UNIVERSITY NOW WITH A FULL YEAR BEHIND THEM AT A MUCH
REDUCED RATE.
THAT WILL SAVE THEM ON TUITION.
THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’VE GOT ENOUGH PROGRAMS IN
PLACE FOR THEM THAT WHEN THEY
GET THIS, THEY CAN GET THE
COURSES THEY NEED TO GET IN, GET OUT, GET A JOB.
>>Nick: MR. ORMAN.
>>Orman: LET’S BE CLEAR HERE.
TUITION AT KU ACTUALLY ROSE MORE ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS DURING THE
PRIOR ADMINISTRATION THAN THE
BROWNBACK ADMINISTRATION.
THIS WAS A PROBLEM THAT’S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO RESTORE
FUNDING TO HIGHER EDUCATION, BUT
THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SAY TO THEM, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE
IN THE BENEFIT OF THE BARGAIN.
WE WANT TO MAKE HIGHER EDUCATION
MORE AFFORDABLE FOR KIDS, YOU HAVE TO COMMIT TO NOT INCREASING
TUITION, BOOKS AND FEES BY MORE
THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION IN
THE GENERAL ECONOMY. IF YOU’RE WILLING TO AGREE TO
THAT BENEFIT OF THE BARGAIN,
THEN I THINK WE CAN RESTORE
FUNDING. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS
THIS IS LARGELY A FEDERAL ISSUE
AND I THINK THE FEEERAL
GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO THE SAME THING.
I THINK THEY SHOULD SAY TO
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, IF
YOU WANT TITLE IV STUDENTS AND THE $120 BILLION THAT COMES WITH
THEM ANNUALLY, YOU HAVE TO
COMMIT TO THE SAME THING.
NOT INCREASING COSTS FOR TUITION, BOOKS AND FEES BY MORE
THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION IN
THE GENEEAL ECONOMY.
>>Nick: MR. KOBACH.>>Kobach: HARDLY A FEDERAL
ISSUE.
STATE LAND GRANT INSTITUTIONS
ARE LARGELY A FEDERAL ISSUE? WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IN
KANSAS.
$28,000 IS THE AVERAGE DEBT A
STUDENT HAS, THAT’S JUST AN AVERAGE.
LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE 50, $60,000
IN DEBT.
I AGREE WITH GREG ON THE POINT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP COLLEGE
TUITION FROM INCREASING.
WE MIGHT TAKE A DIFFERENT
APPROACH. IT’S GROWING WAY FASTER THAN
INFLATION.
IT’S OUTRAGEOUS HOW PEOPLE ARE
BEING ENCOURAGED TO GET INTO COLLEGE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE
RIGHT AWAY, NOT LOOKING AT OTHER
ALTERNATIVES AND USUALLY GO
STRAIGHT TO THE FOUR-YEAR UNIVERSITY AND THEN THEY’RE
SADDLED WITH THIS DEBT THE REST
OF THEIR LIVES.&
FIRST OF ALL, THE GOVERNOR DOES CONTROL MEMBERSHIP ON THE BOARD I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO
EMPHASIZE AND MAYBE MOVE THIS
INTO OUR HIGH SCHOOLS THAT NOT
EVERY KID NEEDS TO BE GOING TO A FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PROGRAMS IN
OUR CAREER AND TECH ED PROGRAMS
THAT WILL ALLOW THE KIDS TO GIN A SKILL AND COME — GAIN A SKILL
AND COME OUT HAVING A
GOOD-PAYING JOB AND A FULFILLING
CAREER, SO I THINK I WANT TO PUT A LOT MORE EMPHASIS ON THAT AS
WE MOVING ALONG AND FIXING OUR
EDUCATION SYSTEM.
>>Nick: MR. ORMAN, 30 SECONDS TO REBUT.
>>Orman: THE VALUE OF COLLEGE
EDUCATION AND A FOUR-YEAR DEGREE
IS STILL A POSITIVE ONE FROM A NET PRESENT VALUE STANDPOINT.
THE REAL RISK HERE AND THE REAL
ISSUE IS THAT KID WHO GOES FOR
TWO OR THREE YEARS, THEN LEAVES WITHOUT A DEGREE AND IN DEBT.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO ASK OUR
BOARD OF REGENTS TO FOCUS ON
GRADUATION RATES AND WHAT WE’VE SEEN AND IN TALKING TO THEM, IF
WE REACH THE GRADUATION RATE
TARGETS THAT THEY’VE SET, IT’S
NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THOSE KIDS, BUT GREAT FOR OUR ECONOMY.
>>Nick: MR. KOBACH, WE HAVE A
QUESTION HERE ABOUT U.S.
ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS WHO RECENTLY SAID THERE IS TOO
MUCH SUPPRESSION OF FREE AND
OPEN SPEECH ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES
TODAY. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS IS AN ISSUE
IN KANSAS AND IF SO, HOW SHOULD
THE STATE RESPOND?
>>Kobach: IT ABSOLUTELY IS AN ISSUE IN KANSAS.
THIS IS AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE IN
HIGHER EDUCATION AND I’M
SPEAKING, OF COURSE, I THINK THE ONLY PERSON ON STAGE WHO’S BEEN
ACTUALLY EMPLOYED IN HIGHER
EDUCATION.
I WAS A LAW PROFESSOR FOR 15 YEARS AND HAVE A FEW STUDENTS IN
THE AUDIENCE, I BELIEVE, AS
WELL.
LOOK, THERE IS DEFINITELY A CULTURE OF VERY HEAVY POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS BOTH IN THE
UNDERGRADUATE COMMUNITIES AND
THE LAW SCHOOLS AND OTHERS. AND IT IS OPPRESSIVE AT TIMES
WHEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE A
CONSERVATIVE POINT OF VIEW ARE
SHOUTED DOWN, ARE PUSHED OFF, YOU KNOW, BOOED OFF CAMPUS AND
IN SOME CASES IN CALIFORNIA
VIOLENTLY FORCED NOT TO HAVE
CONSERVATIVE SPEAKERS. I DON’T THINK ANYONE CAN
REASONABLY DOUBT THAT
PROPOSITION, EITHER BY ME OR BY
JEFF SESSIONS OR DISPUTE THAT PROPOSITION.
[ TONE ]
>>Nick: THAT IS NOT YOUR TIME.
THAT’S THE HOTEL. YOU PLEASE PROCEED.
GIVE A BIT OF EXTRA TIME TO
MR. KOBACH AS HE COMPLETES HIS
THOUGHT.>>Kobach: LET ME GET MY TRAIN
OF THOUGHT BACK ON THE TRACK.
ABSOLUTELY, THE GOVERNOR CAN DO
THINGS AND I THINK AN EXAMPLE WAS WHEN KU WAS FLYING THE
DESECRATED FLAG, I REALIZED THEY
WERE CALLING IT ART, BUT COME
ON. THAT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF
WHERE STUDENTS INITIALLY LED THE
PROTEST AND SAID, HEY, SOMETHING
IS WRONG HERE, AND THEN THE OFFICIALS LIKE MYSELF SAID, HEY,
THISSSHOULD NOT BE THERE.
WE CAN WEIGH IN.
>>Nick: WE’RE GOING TO GO NEXT TO MR. ORMAN.
>>Orman: I’M A PRIVATE SECTOR
PERSON.
I’VE SPENT 27 YEARS OF MY LIFE BUILDING AND GROWING BUSINESSES,
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS
ESSENTIAL TO THH PROBLEM-SOLVING
PROCESS IN MY MIND IS INTELLECTUAL CONFLICT.
IT’S THE WAY WE GET TO THE BEST
ANSWERS, IT’S WHY AN ORMAN
ADMINISTRATION WILL HAVE PEOPLE IN IT WHO HAVE DIFFERENT
IDEOLOGIES, PEOPLE FROM
DIFFERENT PARTIES BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY I THINK INTELLECTUAL CONFLICT IS A GOOD THING.
I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD BE
SUPPRESSING FREE SPEECH.
I THINK IN MANY CASES PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT MAKE OTHERS’ BLOOD
BOIL, BUT THE REALITY IS THE
FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY IS A
CONSTITUTION AND A BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE FIRST ONE ALLOWS
US THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND I
DON’T THINK IT SHOULD BE
IMPAIRED.>>Nick: MS. KELLY.
>>Kelly: YEAH, I CAN’T SAY HOW
MUCH I SUPPORT THE FREEDOM OF
SPEECH. I THINK IT’S VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT THAT WE ALLOW THAT.
I THINK IT’S PARTICULARLY
UNIVERSITY ON OUR UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES.
WE SEND OUR KIDS TO COLLEGE TO
GROW AND TO LEARN AND TO EXPRESS
THEMSELVES AND TO HEAR THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS, SO I WOULD
POT WANT TO SEE US PUT ANY
RESTRICTIONS ON THAT,
PARTICULARLY ON OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
I WOULD SAY THAT I’D LIKE TO
RETURN SOME CIVILITY TO SPEECH.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL SO THAT WE COULD
ACTUALLY HEAR ONE ANOTHER RATHER
THAN JUST SHOUT AND YELL AT ONE
ANOTHER.>>Nick: WELL, FINALLY, I KNOW
WE HAVE A REBUTTAL ROUND, BUT WE
ARE COMING SHORT ON THIS DEBATE.
FINALLY THE SPONSOR OF THIS DEBATE GAVE EACH OF OUR
CANDIDATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 30
SECONDS TO MAKE THEIR FINAL CASE
TO YOU AND THAT FIRST CANDIDATE STATEMENT GOES TO MR. ORMAN.
>>Orman: THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME HERE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS OVER THH NEXT FIVE YEARS IN
KANSAS IS GOING TO BE —
DETERMINE THE PATH OUR STATE IS
ON FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES. KANSAS HAS TWO OPTIONS IN
NOVEMBER.
WE CAN LEAD AGAIN AND GET BACK
ON THE RIGHT TRACK, OR WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE STATUS QUO.
IF YOU WANT THE STATUS QUO,
YOU’VE GOT TWO PRETTY GOOD
CHOICES HERE, BUT IF YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO CAN GET US BACK ON
TRACK, WHO SUCCESSFULLY RUN,
MANAGED, TURNED AROUND LARGE
ORGANIZATIONS, THEN I’M YOUR CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR AND I
WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE IN
NOVEMBER.
>>Nick: THANK YOU. MR. KOBACH.
-P>>Kobach: LOOK, YOU JUDGE A
POLITICIAN NOT BY HIS OR HER
WWRDS, BUT BY HIS OR HER ACTIONS AND I HAVE DELIVERED BIG CHANGES
AS SECRETARY OF STATE AND I WILL
DELIVER BIG CHANGES AS GOVERNOR.
MR. ORMAN SAYS IF YOU WANT THE STATUS QUO, LOOK AT US.
ON THE CONTRARY, I’D SAY IF YOU
WANT THE STATUS QUO, YOU’VE TWO
TAX AND SPEND LIBERALS HERE TO CHOOSE FROM.
IF YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO’S GOING
TO MOVE US IN A RADICALLY
DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND TAKE KANSAS WHERE OUR TAXES ARE FAIR
AGAIN AND WE’RE NO LONGER THE
SANCTUARY STATE OF THE MIDWEST,
YOU SHOULD VOTT FOR THE CANDIDATE OF CHANGE.
I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
>>Kelly: I THINK IT’S TIME WE
SLAM THE DOOR ONCE AND FOR ALL ON THE PAST EIGHT YEARS OF
MISERY IN THE STATE OF KANSAS
AND I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT
WHAT KANSAS NEEDS NOW IS A STRONG STEADY EXPERIENCED LEADER
WHO KNOWS WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE
AND HAS THE RELATIONSHIPS
ALREADY ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE TO BRING PEOPLE
TOGETHER AND GET THINGS DONE AND
FIX OUR STATE.
WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY. WE DON’T NEED TO TAKE A U-TURN.
>>Nick: ONE OF THESE THREE
PEOPLE WILL BE THE NEXT GOVERNOR
OF KANSAS. & WHICH ONE?
ONLY YOU WILL DECIDE THAT WITH
YOUR VOTE.
YOU’VE BEEN WATCHING THE KANSAS GOVERNORS’ DEBATE FROM THE MAIN
BALLROOM OF THE DOUBLETREE HOTEL
IN OVERLAND PARK.
FROM THE ENTIRE CREW OF KCPT AND THE LEADERSHIP TEAM OF THE
JOHNSON COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION,
THE SPONSORS OF THIS DEBATE,
THANK YOU AND GOODBYE. [ APPLAUSE ] CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY
CAPTION ASSOCIATES, LLC
www.captionassociates.com>>Announcer: THE KANSAS
GOVERNORS’ DEBATE ON KCPT HAS
BEEN PRESENTED BY THE JOHNSON
COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION, 1400 ATTORNEY MEMBERS SERVING THE
COMMUNITY SINCE 1938.

60 Replies to “2018 Kansas Governor’s Debate”

  1. I am a moderate republican. I feel that orman much better than I thought. He talked policy. I would vote kobach but I feel he'll be like brownback. I encourage us republicans to go for orman

  2. Orman praising trump for a policy. I guess he's an actual centrist. more than I thought. I'll take the chance and vote for him

  3. Thank you to all three candidates and the moderator for a civil, well-run debate, rather than the sideshows we saw during the presidential debates…

  4. Kobach would be a disaster. He would double down on Brownback's disastrous economic policies thus making our economic problems even worse.

  5. For Senator Kelly to not have a single area of state spending to cut except joining barbers with cosmetologists managers shows she is only big government tax and spend.

  6. Understand that if Orman divides the republican votes between him and Kobach. Kelly can sweep in and steal the seat. This is the dangerous situation we are in. Be warned.

  7. I wish kobach wasn’t so against med marijuana I could benefit from it and if it wasn’t for all the liberal b.s. I would go to a more friendly state for it but until it is allowed here I will probably end prescribed the opiates that are really damaging and dangerous. My vote will come down to pro second amendment and medical issues I need to do more research between kobach and Orman. If Orman isn’t too squirrelly on the gun issue he will get my vote.

  8. Laura Kelly never said how she is going to pay for all her increased spending. Laura Kelly's actions in the past says she will continue to increase my taxes to pay for her increased education spending!

  9. Vote for Kobach so you can take more family vacations due to his tax cuts! Selfish conservative values from supposed Christians when education and healthcare are the most humane concepts of our infrastructure.

  10. Baby boomers retire then try as hard as possible not to get anyone younger and a bit more progressive to jump upon board. The stupidity of Kobach

  11. I think our roads are great, have you been to Oklahoma lately, those are terrible roads, and the ACA should be repealed. I had health insurance before, and it got canceled because I the male didn't have maternity coverage, and my daughters got canceled because she was 2 and didn't have maternity. I'm now a ward of the state trapped on disability.

  12. Alright, Kelly, I worked in a Private mental health hospital in Gardner Kansas. We were one of 3 private hospitals in the state, we had a 3 to 5 years wait list for a bed. The state ran the hospital in Wichita is a joke. It's terrible run, patients don't get any real attention. We had a bi-polar family member go there and get out in 3 days on daycare, which was a little more in 1-hour councling a day. You want to help the mentaly ill, get government out of the health care business!

  13. Really poor debate format. 30 second stump speeches is all we get. No real substance. No time to actually put things into perspective and talk about how various issues are related. A three-way debate needs to be longer than an hour, and each candidate should get at least 5 minutes to speak uninterrupted each time. And why can't the candidates themselves decide what they want to talk about? That way, we really get to hear their priorities.

  14. Going into the education profession, Kelly really has my vote. I love that she is for medical marijuana and a stricter gun control system. Right now you can get a gun with a backgroud check that takes 10 minutes and this is not ok. We need to start screening people much more thoroughly before we let them buy firearms. I also agreed with helping immigrant college students who have gone to highschool in America. Kobach is so worried about doing more and more road construction that he wants to wait for baby boomers to retire and then not let the younger generation take their place.

  15. Kris Kobach is a criminal who limits people's right to vote. Instead of possibly becoming the Governor, he instead should be going to prison. Didn't Kansas have enough shittyness with Brownback?

  16. When talking about the criminal justice system of Kansas, nobody mentioned trying to make sure you have a good solid family structure.

  17. My entire family, who haven’t voted in years, is going out and voting for Laura Kelly this November. At least an additional 20-30 votes that haven’t been cast in a while.

  18. I hate Kobach’a stance on marijuana. Obviously he doesn’t care about the people who really need it based off of his own opinions.

  19. Greg Orman is the best candidate to lead the state of Kansas as its next governor. He has the right background and experience and the ability to bring both sides to the table at this critical time in our state's history. What happens over the next five years will shape Kansas for decades to come.

  20. Senator Kelly constantly wails on the horrid events of the last 8 years under the Brownback Administration. But she never identifies any specific problems created during Brownback. She never admits educational spending went up during the Brownback Administration.

  21. Laura Kelly can house, feed, clothe and pay tuition for all illegals with her money and property. I had to pay for my college education, my nephew didn't get any kind of handouts for college, my dad can't get any dental coverage because he's 75.. the man served his country for 35 years in the Navy and served on the police force! And because illegals get handouts my dad can't get his teeth fixed and it almost killed him due to infection. Kobach all the way!

  22. The democrat is half dead. look at her. can you be more boring. shes obviously not even excited about her own ideas and only knows repeated CNN talking points. The independent, orman, is a pompus ass hatt. every time he talked he began with "well", "look", and so on, and he seems like one of those smart guys who thinks everyone else who doesnt think like him is stupid. Kobach is literally the only one up there who seems like he believes in his ideas, is excited to lead Kansas ans understands what it means to be the governer of this state. He is optomistic and uses facts. The Democrat was just, ugh, I cant even go into her. she must of been on that medical mary she was talking about. spaced out. Just there to be a democrat talking head. Orman seems like he just wants to be govenor so the other two dont become govenor. I agree, what was missing from Brownbacks plan was Kobachs ideas. Not only that tho, Obamas Obamacare stuff where he restricted jobs to 20hrs a week and forced our factories into contract companies that do the hiring hurt our economy as well. So many restrictions put in place federally that it hurt Brownbacks plan which wouldve probably worked better, not great but better, had Obama not been in office. NOW that trump is in and jobs can employ people for more then 20 hrs a week and that stupid mandate is no longer in place, kobacjs tax cuts along with spending cuts will boost our economy. Vote Kobach. The only guy who seems like hes interviewing for the job of govenor and WANTS the job

  23. Kelly would be a mistake, Orman is intriguing but Kobach is going to get my vote
    Lower taxes and get tough on immigration

  24. Lack of gun-sense policy; puke. Orman and Kelly are both gun grabbing liberals. Preventing people from lawfully carrying guns has nothing to do with the murder rate.

  25. Orman speaks like a man of the times, and of the future. Focus on big picture ideas and stop sweatin’ the small stuff. 👍🏻

  26. All pointing fingers at each other. It's like people debating about religion. Despite there being no real answer if you say anything people will tell you that you are incorrect.

  27. I am mentally disabled and on disability and without it I can not pay for my meds,I can only work part time what worry most about is it being cut. The thing like the most and hopefully does not change is that part of our paycheck goes into Medicare. Also the main violence where I live is people that can't afford their meds so they go mental break,drugs abuse, no place for the kids to go and hang out and it's real hard to get jobs here

  28. I am a 21 year old democrat who is going to be graduating with my bachelors degree in social work May of 2019! I can proudly say that I voted for Laura Kelly and congratulate her! I am excited for this state and for my future clients! We need somebody who cares about the underdogs who can't afford health care, who can't go to private school, who can't afford college, who are struggling with bills, who can't have access to mental health care. This is what our state desperately needed.

  29. LOOK TO COLORADO THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH AND THEY ARE BUILDING AND FUNDING SCHOOLS MORE THAN KANSAS COULD EVER THINK OF AND REC MARIJUANA IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE ITS MAKE PEOPLE MORE HAPPIER

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